Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

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With Anita Rani. I am not expecting much in the way of challenges.

Of course they do. I'm a feminist, but I have also seen the damage, sadness and fear caused to the gay and trans community. Nobody in their right mind would willingly choose to be trans. This division helps no one.

Toxic - people disagree and explain why, threatening the happy security of misinformation and downloaded rightthink.

Yup that's this whole mindset/political group in a nutshell really.

Have you see the damage, sadness and fear caused to lesbians by the trans community

That's my bingo card filled up within a few posts

Oh no we're not going back to the 'if men are going to attack women they'll do it anyway' thing are we.
Whilst we're on that route, if people are going to burgled my house they will. So I won't bother locking my door.
In fact laws generally are a bit of a pain, and quite difficult and expensive to enforce.
And most people I've met don't break the law. So I think we should do away with laws because I had a really nice friend at primary school who got caught shoplifting and was told off and that made her cry, so you know, won't someone just think of that.
Or something.

Datun, no need to patronize. Of course I know this. I have a First Class Degree and am studying for a Masters currently (then again, I'm a lone parent who are apparently all thick af and benefit scroungers). I haven't read all of your reply. You are talking to be heard and not to listen, which isn't constructive, so have a good day.

I thought you’d gone….

Whenever you were there then love. The point still stands even if the decade was wrong.

We can all go home, jenfw has consented to men in women's single sex spaces on behalf of the other 4 billion women on earth. Issue sorted!

Off to join you looking for some shiny things girl

So how do you propose to end this 'division' while still, as a feminist, keeping women's, lesbians, gay men's and women with trans identities protections in law? Because obviously you wouldn't want those rights and protections removed, would you?

You may think of yourself as a feminist, but you don't know anything about this issue.

You don't know anything about DSDs, you don't know anything about the sex offending rates of men, or men who identify as trans, you seem to have absolutely no clue why women might want a private space when they're taking their clothes off.

I mean it's bloody basic. Why do you think women might want to be in a women only space when they've got their knickers around their ankles, are rinsing out their underwear, or taking off their clothes?

As I said, really try your very hardest, with your eyes tightly shut, to drag your focus off the men for one fucking nanosecond.

Nobody in their right mind would willingly choose to be trans.

We agree on one thing. The number of mentally ill fetishists, predators and perverts claiming a trans identity does indeed suggest they're not in their right mind and they shouldn't be given access to naked women and girls as an affirmation therapy.

If you don't like the division, then start working towards third spaces. You won't, of course, and we all know why. But your time emotionally blackmailing women for being "divisive" for not consenting to what you want and swallowing lies and offensive misinformation about sex is over. The solution is third spaces. If you're a feminist looking for harmony, push for those. How many men do you harp at to be welcoming of TW in their spaces? Or do you reserve that for women while claiming not to know what a woman is?

Well said @Datun 👏

No one has both functioning organs. No one is the producer of both large and small gametes.

DSDs are sex specific.

Haha!!

Why would you embarrass yourself like this? You are a grown woman, hitting those keys and coming out like a child in a high school playground. You don't agree with me - that's fine, but there is no need to spit venom, sarcasm and childishness out in response.

Eh?
Oh! a magpie reference.

I'm not going anywhere just yet, I’ve only just got my popcorn ready, but if you want me to take that spade off you, just hand it over here, girl

Since the term 'Queer' has become the lingua franca the trans umbrella has grown to include every Tom, Dick and Harry.

" Genuine" trans people still remain either male or female. Single sex spaces for women are meant for members of the female sex only.....it doesn't matter how cool, queer or lovely your trans friend in the gay club is.

Couldn't bear to listen to Amnesty - lost any respect and my donations (had been a monthly contributor for years) when they phoned me to ask for an increase in my monthly donation 18 years ago when I was about two weeks postpartum. I explained that I was unable to increase donation and they proceeded to lecture me on how many women were being murdered by their partners/husbands and how they needed my money. I explained that I didn't need to hear this as was struggling with breastfeeding and en route to PND. They carried on lecturing me regardless until I was in tears.

When I wrote to them to cancel my donations and tell them exactly what I thought of their tactics, I received a letter telling me that I needed to consider all those women who were vulnerable. Oh the irony!

Here Jen, just try this, I know reading is hard.

I mean it's bloody basic. Why do you think women might want to be in a women only space when they've got their knickers around their ankles, are rinsing out their underwear, or taking off their clothes?

Agreed.

Also, why would disabled women and girls who need intimate care need to have the option to request true single-sex intimate care?

I do also support men being able to request single-sex intimate care.

This is shaping up to be history's most protracted flounce...

Saying “no” to a trans identifying person is not actively harming them. You have swallowed the hyberbolic nonsense.

Jen's Masters dissertation in full:

I consent to men in women's spaces so all other women must consent too

You're toxic, I'm leaving

Wot about intersex

Gay men have never bothered me

You're toxic, I'm leaving

Let men get their knobs out in the ladies in the name of harmony

You're toxic, I'm leaving

Err...

That's it.