Today it's Amnesty Internation on Woman's Hour to discuss the Supreme Court judgment

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With Anita Rani. I am not expecting much in the way of challenges.

I am lesbian and I am completely in agreement with the Supreme Court Judgement. Women and especially lesbians have been seen as fair game over the last 15 years, and no one has ever been concerned about our rights feelings dignity or privacy. For those of us that don’t centre men, whatever they want to identify as, the Court judgement explicitly protected us and our needs were central. Which made a bloody change. But still programmes like this still centre the men and their feels. I note that there must be shit flying at WH headquarters as it is still not up to listen again. Surprised that Anita managed to get women into the conversation at least twice. This was actually remarkable.

This is exactly what the vast majority of women described as ´terfs’ want.

They are fully protected in the Equality Act. As for wishes of harm, it's extremely clear that there are far more TRAs hoping for and threatening rape and death upon women than there are women calling for any kind of harm to trans people. (I would say I've never seen it but once or twice I did see a woman, referring to a particularly odious person, hoping he got an infection in the surgical wound he called a vagina. I've certainly never seen women carrying signs calling to stab, decapitate, shoot or hang trans people.)

Again, you need to direct your attention elsewhere if this is the concern. It is hard to believe you haven't realised that.

Er..sorry, that entirely reasonable view makes you a terf. Expect the 'die in a grease fire' threats to follow shortly.

But that is EXACTLY what 'TERFs' have also argued for, for many many years!

Your comment, according to TRA's, is transphobic! Are you starting to get it now?

Men who identify as trans want to use the women in women only spaces; gender neutral spaces give them neither the validation nor sexual satisfaction they desire.

In the last 8 weeks I’ve read over 100 NHS policies. I can confirm that there’s no sign of a protected single sex space for patients or staff anywhere to be seen. There’s a few of us reading and we will keep going until we prove it for the whole of the UK. But singles spaces are already gone - you’ve just not realised. I was completely unaware until the Sandie Peggie case. Like most people. Anywhere women-only has been challenged and boundaries pushed by aggressive males. It’s not like your mates

Nobody in their right mind would willingly choose to be trans.

Stopping watching sissy porn would help.

Why didn’t you say?! Welcome dear TERF! We are all in total agreement with you on that 😘

jenfw · Today 15:14
I believe in women only spaces AND gender neutral spaces, which would provide support for everyone who needs it.

And of course, you will be using the gender neutral spaces to provide validation support for the other users.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/jmqX1IOdr_XHihGbUVLICkX2l3Y/appointments
The Amnesty man worked for Stonewall back in the day as a PR consultant.
He resigned in 2002 after only a year. Last company on that list.

His name rang a bell, it was niggling me.

All roads lead back there eventually it would seem.

now Pop over to the trans board on Reddit, tell them that and see what response you get (you’ll be told you’re a transphobe and a bigot)!

mixed sex spaces are not validating so TW don’t want them

So Stonewall declined to comment?
Their man was already speaking for them wearing a differnt hat.

Happy Friday!

Yes, this is all very interesting and would make a delightful little thread of its own.

It's always nice to have people joining us on here.

Now, what were we saying about Woman's Hour, and Amnesty International, and what their CEO, Sacha Deshmukh, ex-Stonewall, had to say about a judgment which he either hasn't read, has got muddled up with a previous judgment, or has read but sadly left out the last 58 pages. Or perhaps he missed the first 58 pages.

@jenfw you said “If men want to attack, they will - and the kind that do this, from my experience, aren't going to go to the trouble (or humiliation) of wearing a dress*

But it is beyond naive to suggest that men who claim to be women/ have trans identities/ have gender dysphoria are always harmless to women and children. You have no way of knowing what they do when you are not around. You do not know what is in their heads. There are men who turn out to be rapists and abusers that no one suspected (openly at least) at the time - men with and without trans identities. Are you personally vouching for every single one?

EVIDENCE ALERT

It seems to be timely to remind people about this paper that found that PAEDOPHILIA was a concerning finding amongst men seeking gender reassignment surgery.

The paper, describing the retrospective analysis of 5 years of referrals in Oxfordshire, found that a “small group described gender reassignment as a means by which to increase their intimate contact with children, which they viewed to be more socially acceptable in a female role.”

This group numbered 2 out of 38 men referred over just 5 years IN OXFORDSHIRE ALONE.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/6B5F217162ABD9B3189F2EB82787034E/S1758320900012695a.pdf/gender-reassignment-5-years-of-referrals-in-oxfordshire.pdf

So, yes men will go to great lengths including taking hormones and having surgery in order to satisfy their desires, and some of those desires are a threat to women and children.

The trans identifying paedophile men mentioned in this paper were gatekept out of referral to a gender reassignment clinic… at that time. But we have no way of knowing what has happened to them since. Self ID will have only emboldened them. Surgery can be had abroad. Trans ideology lobbies to make it easier to get referrals and GRCs without any psychiatric assessment. The same paper says that many patients had other psychiatric comorbidities and that Axis II disorders (personality disorders) are likely underreported.

Yes it’s not all men, trans or otherwise, but it’s many, too many, and there has been a highly co-ordinated campaign to play on people’s emotions using highly curated sob stories about poor trans identitying men, which have obscured the more complex psychological picture. Amnesty and others are enthusiastically complicit in this.

Looks like the Woman's Hour episode with Amnesty International has finally been uploaded.

Wow, that person is very uncomfortable talking about women and women’s rights!!! What is he doing at amnesty international? He absolutely crumbled on the last two or three questions and they weren’t very complicated.

Brilliant! We are all in agreement. 🙂

Now I know what you say can't be taken seriously. 🙄 "People with differences of sexual development" is the accepted modern term for what you call intersex and such people are all either male or female, since their conditions are sex-specific, even if in a small minority of cases tests need to be done to establish the sex.

Thank you!

not sure if my blood pressure is up to listening to this episode or not.

Perhaps he read every third page?

Apologies, that was in response to:

It's always nice to have people joining us on here.
Now, what were we saying about Woman's Hour, and Amnesty International, and what their CEO, Sacha Deshmukh, ex-Stonewall, had to say about a judgment which he either hasn't read, has got muddled up with a previous judgment, or has read but sadly left out the last 58 pages. Or perhaps he missed the first 58 page
s.

Oh dear.

Then you are a TERF. Congratulations and welcome to the coven.