I am gobsmacked by what I'm reading on other forums

[WallaceinAnderland]

This (my underlining)

"It seems to me, that the core issue that is behind all the bigotry and transphobia is the issue of predatory men. Obviously, I know that certain bigots won't change their minds. I'm not talking about that minority, I'm talking about the easily swayed majority.

"The whole "debate" centres around protecting women. I think we need to reframe it. We need to reframe it so that we protect ALL women (including trans women and women of colour) from predatory men."

I mean, what the actual fuck? Can this person not see their racism?

”It's really not the responsibility of individual women to tell all the other women not to respond just because they're all in agreement!”

I find it remarkable that there is any expectation that women have to moderate their interaction with a poster and not post because it might cause someone distress at being disagreed with by so many people. Where the fuck does that? Or is it that some people are so used to artificially moderated spaces that they cannot calmly defend their own statements?

And seriously, how many fucking times a day do we hear about us being in an echo chamber by people actively posting an opinion that people disagree with. There seems to be this fuckwittery that keeps coming up that some people who have opinions that don’t represent the majority view of the UK, believe anywhere that doesn’t agree with their view is an echo chamber.

I have something to say about prejudice and bigotry.

Every time trans women say they can't use the gents toilets because of the men will beat them up, possibly rape them, and possibly kill them they are making the assumption that all men are violent rapists and murderers. These people are complete bigots and are tarring all men with the same brush. Disgusting.

Yes, that's exactly it. If we all agree, it's because we're being fed algorithms in an echo chamber devoid of dissenting views.

When in reality, there are no algorithms on here, and anyone can post what they like, for as long as they like.

Which they frequently do. And then complain!

It's an attempt at a 'gotcha', using false logic - "white women and black women are both women, so transwomen can be women too".

As black women, I can confirm that racism is used as a "gotcha" by people who fall on both sides of the debate. It's equally unpleasant when either do it.

I think it's also because there aren't many places where women can gather to discuss the impact of gender ideology on them. I think it's important that this space exists but it's also important to remember that many people in the UK do not agree with the prevailing narrative on here.

And your comment ‘nonsense of men being women’ is blatantly transphobic!

That was a very frustrating, exasperating, repetitive thread that went on for days! And women here still took the time and effort to engage politely and reasonably. Until they understandably had enough with the repeating of the same nonsensical arguments and doubling down.
I wouldn't get anywhere near that far on Reddit. Just verbally abused and banned
Huge difference between here and there.

@SnowFrogJelly what is the definition of transphobia you are using?

Quite clearly men aren’t women. Saying that isn’t transphobic. It’s just reality, and the law.

Someday I think I might create a Reddit account and try reposting some of the self-styled "reasonable" posters' comments on trans friendly forums and see how that goes.

@myplace

I don’t see shouting down and shutting people up.

Funny that. I haven’t been about much as exactly that (shutting up) has occurred to me. Despite not violating any guidelines, I was warned off by MN so I’ve been quite wary of posting in the board since. And I am, I suppose, one of those few moderating voices.

What do you mean by “warned off”? And how have you been “shut up”?

Genuine questions.

I don’t want to go into too much detail as it’s delicate, but it seems someone here didn’t like my continued presence and complained about it. I feel I can’t take part in discussions here as a result.

Name change and they won't even know who you are.

Take it up with the Supreme Court

Polling suggests that the majority of people do agree with the basics, that women should have their own spaces, etc. And every time another poll is conducted that number increases.

And interestingly, the more detail in the questions, the more agreement there is. Which suggests that when people understand the implications, rather than the TRA propaganda, the higher the likelihood of agreement with GC women.

And I would imagine 99% of the entire population would agree that you can't change sex.

Apparently they do. I do happen to name change sporadically - for good reasons - but supposedly my posting style is distinctive and the poster had tracked all my NCs (odd in itself). So even doing that any more is out.

HQ won't take any notice of someone merely not liking your presence tho.

TRAs have been trying to shoehorn race into their arguments for sometime.

Its not any different from them co-opting LBG and the holocaust.

It is just a desperate attempt at 'look at us we are all oppressed together.'

Or biological fact.

We could have a whole thread devoted to the shenanigans on Reddit and I'm sure it would fill up very quickly.

It seems they did, though.

And no algorithm. Valuable bonus here

Well, if HQ are banning people on the basis that someone doesn't like them, start a thread in site stuff.

Clearly I wasn’t banned, Datun.

I would really like you to challenge that, @JessaWoo

I think MN have words with people who make themselves vulnerable, or post disingenuously- threads that contradict other threads, deliberately provocative etc.
I would expect them to have words with people who are basically trolling. It falls under ‘posting in bad faith’ I believe.

The one behaviour on here that I don’t like, is people linking usernames. No matter how intensely annoying a poster is, claiming they must be AnnoyingNelly under a different name doesn’t help and can’t be verified.