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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/05/2025 20:11

AthenaWhite · 10/05/2025 19:59

I have a daughter who thinks she isn't a girl. Guess what, she's wrong. I am doing everything I can to safeguard my (gay,autistic) daughter.

Celebrities seem to view a child who says they are trans as an accessory. So many of them.

But that's the difference between you and parents who have enthusiastically affirmed their child's stated gender identity.

If it all goes horribly wrong for your daughter (which I really hope it doesn't) you will at least have some small comfort in knowing you tried to stop her.

Susie Green and Jolyon Maugham and David Tennant will never be able to say that, so they'll have to keep pretending it was the right thing to do until they draw their last breath. Because the alternative is admitting that they actively harmed their children.

ghostyslovesheets · 10/05/2025 20:13

AthenaWhite · 10/05/2025 19:59

I have a daughter who thinks she isn't a girl. Guess what, she's wrong. I am doing everything I can to safeguard my (gay,autistic) daughter.

Celebrities seem to view a child who says they are trans as an accessory. So many of them.

Same here - I’m so glad nobody from the TRA side got hold of her!

ProfessorFellatioHornblower · 10/05/2025 20:25

@ghostyslovesheets oooooh there you are. Did you see this? https://unherd.com/2025/03/midnight-panty-raids-on-mumsnet/

ghostyslovesheets · 10/05/2025 20:42

Omg @ProfessorFellatioHornblower thats BMC!

AlpineMuesli · 10/05/2025 20:51

He’s an actor who I’ve never really believed, IYKWIM. Some actors become the character, to the point where even if you know their normal demeanour it’s so hard to imagine the character isn’t real.
DT is always…well, DT. On TV, in films. Sometimes he does an accent, sometimes he dyes his hair, but he’s always…him. That guy we all know called David.
For an actor of that level, he’s extremely beloved. But he isn’t going to win an oscar, is he.

ThisOpenMauveLurker · 10/05/2025 21:00

TheignT · 10/05/2025 20:09

Unemployment was really high in the early 80s. I know because I was looking for work as with mortgage rates at 14% and high inflation I needed more money. i can't remember the whole decade in detail but the first few years were a bloody nightmare.

There was also the miners strike and race riots.

But - anyone could leave a job and sign on the same day with no intrusive crap or long delay in getting your giro. ie, it was expecting that if you hated your job or were mistreated, the state would help you a little bit as you found something else. It was easy enough to get “ordinary” jobs - little was regulated as it is now - lads could get building site work without a construction safety certificate, childminding wasn’t registered with OFSTED. Of course most of the subsequent regulation is good and for worker/customer safety but there was so much fluidity that doesn’t exist now.

ProfessorFellatioHornblower · 10/05/2025 21:12

ghostyslovesheets · 10/05/2025 20:42

Omg @ProfessorFellatioHornblower thats BMC!

I know right!!!

Tomatotater · 10/05/2025 21:13

NImumconfused · 10/05/2025 19:07

Yes, I recall someone saying he told their teenager to fuck ff when she tried to say hello to him in a supermarket! Although there were definitely other people saying they'd met him and he was lovely.

He has not said anything about either Neil Gaiman or John Barrowman, so isnt that bothered about abuse and intimidation of women. Re Barrowman, when Christopher Eccleston when he left Doctor Who because it was a 'toxic atmosphere ' I thought he was overreacting because obviously David Tennant was working with the same people and he was fine. But since Eccleston had a problem with Barrowman and his willy waving behaviour but Tenant not only thought it was funny but made up a song about it for a laugh, I think I misjudged both of them.

NImumconfused · 10/05/2025 21:13

AlpineMuesli · 10/05/2025 20:51

He’s an actor who I’ve never really believed, IYKWIM. Some actors become the character, to the point where even if you know their normal demeanour it’s so hard to imagine the character isn’t real.
DT is always…well, DT. On TV, in films. Sometimes he does an accent, sometimes he dyes his hair, but he’s always…him. That guy we all know called David.
For an actor of that level, he’s extremely beloved. But he isn’t going to win an oscar, is he.

I have to give him his due, I think he's better on stage than on screen, he does Shakespeare well.

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NImumconfused · 10/05/2025 21:15

Tomatotater · 10/05/2025 21:13

He has not said anything about either Neil Gaiman or John Barrowman, so isnt that bothered about abuse and intimidation of women. Re Barrowman, when Christopher Eccleston when he left Doctor Who because it was a 'toxic atmosphere ' I thought he was overreacting because obviously David Tennant was working with the same people and he was fine. But since Eccleston had a problem with Barrowman and his willy waving behaviour but Tenant not only thought it was funny but made up a song about it for a laugh, I think I misjudged both of them.

Yes, that definitely tells you a lot about his attitude to women. Is that why Eccleston left then?

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ghostyslovesheets · 10/05/2025 21:17

ProfessorFellatioHornblower · 10/05/2025 21:12

I know right!!!

I was Foxy! Who were you if you don’t mind revealing your secret identity 😂

JazzyJelly · 10/05/2025 21:21

Tomatotater · 10/05/2025 21:13

He has not said anything about either Neil Gaiman or John Barrowman, so isnt that bothered about abuse and intimidation of women. Re Barrowman, when Christopher Eccleston when he left Doctor Who because it was a 'toxic atmosphere ' I thought he was overreacting because obviously David Tennant was working with the same people and he was fine. But since Eccleston had a problem with Barrowman and his willy waving behaviour but Tenant not only thought it was funny but made up a song about it for a laugh, I think I misjudged both of them.

That and the other one, Noel Clarke (Mickey) who has sexual harassment allegations from 20 women who worked with him in his Dr Who days. I can't imagine Tennant gives a shit what happens to women (the original type, not the stunning and brave new ones with penises).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57021060

Noel Clarke in Doctor Who

Noel Clarke: BBC shocked by allegations of harassment on Doctor Who set

The Guardian newspaper reports that five women allege he sexually harassed them on the Doctor Who set.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57021060

NoBinturongsHereMate · 10/05/2025 21:23

AlpineMuesli · 10/05/2025 20:51

He’s an actor who I’ve never really believed, IYKWIM. Some actors become the character, to the point where even if you know their normal demeanour it’s so hard to imagine the character isn’t real.
DT is always…well, DT. On TV, in films. Sometimes he does an accent, sometimes he dyes his hair, but he’s always…him. That guy we all know called David.
For an actor of that level, he’s extremely beloved. But he isn’t going to win an oscar, is he.

I've always thought he's excellent at playing creepy, controlling villians.

Which doesn't necessarily contradict your point.

TheignT · 10/05/2025 21:24

ThisOpenMauveLurker · 10/05/2025 21:00

But - anyone could leave a job and sign on the same day with no intrusive crap or long delay in getting your giro. ie, it was expecting that if you hated your job or were mistreated, the state would help you a little bit as you found something else. It was easy enough to get “ordinary” jobs - little was regulated as it is now - lads could get building site work without a construction safety certificate, childminding wasn’t registered with OFSTED. Of course most of the subsequent regulation is good and for worker/customer safety but there was so much fluidity that doesn’t exist now.

It was hard to get Jobs in the early 80s although I wasn't looking for work on a building site. We had YOPs and YTS as kids couldn't get work. I can't say for later as I wasn't looking for work but the days of leaving a job and starting another the following week were long gone, I remember those days but they weren't the 80s. I can't say about giros as I never had one but childminders did have to be registered with the local authority.

PopstarPoppy · 10/05/2025 21:26

He and Gary Lineker are two examples of men who are (or were, in Lineker’s case) very good at what they do and wrongly think that means their (not particularly well-informed) opinion is worth more than other people’s.

TheignT · 10/05/2025 21:32

NImumconfused · 10/05/2025 21:13

I have to give him his due, I think he's better on stage than on screen, he does Shakespeare well.

I liked him in Takin' Over The Asylum, Ken Stott was also good in it but then I think he's good in everything. Katy Murphy was also brilliant in it.

I think I might want to see it again.

GreatJehosephat · 10/05/2025 21:42

I sometimes get very strong vibes about certain people, real gut instincts. I ignored them until fairly recently when I realised that one by one these men were proving my instincts right.
David Tennant is one of these. I’ve always felt that there’s a very angry misogynist hidden beneath the surface. Given his actions in the last few months I’m going to assume that my instincts were correct.

DelboytrottersDnecklace · 10/05/2025 21:51

He's a wanker

Dd (then aged about 16/17,shes now 28) met him in sainsburys and politely asked for his autograph (she loved Doctor who and was so excited to meet her hero)

He couldn't have been more rude to her-he really looked down his beaky snout at her as he told her to 'go away' (he didn't put it quite like that) and refused to sign her piece of paper

She was devastated and came home in tears

Your only as big as your fans make you,and that wanker lost one that day

I cannot stand him-and he can get further in the bin for this crap too

How dare this poor excuse for a male human dare try to put women in their place?

I pity his poor kid having an arsehole like that for a father-how he ever found a woman to get pregnant is beyond me

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 10/05/2025 21:59

mrstrickland · 10/05/2025 18:43

Why is Mumsnet so weird? David Tennant is an utterly brilliant actor and a thoroughly nice human being. Just because his views don't align with your own does not make him a bad person.

Do you know him personally? Because if not, you cannot personally know that he’s ‘a thoroughly nice human being’. You know what he wants you to know and what you choose to believe about him. Do I have to list all of the men in the public eye who were previously thought to be ‘thoroughly nice human beings’ until we found out that they weren’t?

Thoroughly nice human beings don’t make vitriolic, public, and misogynistic attacks on successful women because they understand biological facts and he doesn’t, and because their ‘views don’t align with his own’.

SionnachRuadh · 10/05/2025 22:06

NoBinturongsHereMate · 10/05/2025 21:23

I've always thought he's excellent at playing creepy, controlling villians.

Which doesn't necessarily contradict your point.

He was very good in Jessica Jones playing exactly that kind of character.

Otherwise... no, he's never had that Frances McDormand ability to disappear into the character.

I'm not a fan of actors sounding off about their views of society in general, but there are particular actors who I get a very negative vibe from. If DT had been a generation older, I bet he'd have been one of the many actors who adopted Gerry Healy as his messiah.

BrianaBlessed · 10/05/2025 22:09

He’s an absolute idiot - who thinks of himself the complete opposite. I wish he’d fuck off

Rummly · 10/05/2025 22:14

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/05/2025 17:33

Why do people pay attention to what actors say about politics and other social issues? They have no more insight into these complex matters than anybody else.

This is the thing I find most bewildering.

Pop stars, actors, TV presenters, who cares what they think? They could be great or terrible at what they do, they could be lovely or mean spirited, they could be right or left politically or obsessed with one particular cause…none of this, nothing, makes them worth listening to.

They’re just fucking performers!

Where did Tennant get his special insight? On the planet GRC 96 in the Trans constellation, while helping self-ID Cyberwomen fight the dreaded Terfs, allies of the Daleks?

The ones I particularly resent are fabulously wealthy Hollywood types lecturing the world. Do you live in Beverly Hills and have a private jet? Quick, tell me about not using planes, or about poverty. 🙄

LlamaDrama20 · 10/05/2025 22:17

GreatJehosephat · 10/05/2025 21:42

I sometimes get very strong vibes about certain people, real gut instincts. I ignored them until fairly recently when I realised that one by one these men were proving my instincts right.
David Tennant is one of these. I’ve always felt that there’s a very angry misogynist hidden beneath the surface. Given his actions in the last few months I’m going to assume that my instincts were correct.

I've always felt exactly the same! Along with Russell Brand...

SionnachRuadh · 10/05/2025 22:22

I think with DT, I can almost believe him not being aware of what Noel Clarke was up to, because NC unexpectedly became famous and went off to do some production of his own, and that seems to have been the site of the dodgy behaviour. Though I'd ask where NC learned that behaviour.

I don't believe for a second that he was unaware of John Barrowman waving his jimmy joe around on set, because he was notorious for that long before Who, and anyone who's been in proximity to Barrowman has seen him do it. It seems that RTD and his chums just found that hilarious.

And then there's Neil Gaiman, and you have to ask, how come David Tennant keeps finding himself working closely with all these dodgy men and seems completely oblivious to what they're doing?

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 10/05/2025 22:27

mrstrickland · 10/05/2025 18:43

Why is Mumsnet so weird? David Tennant is an utterly brilliant actor and a thoroughly nice human being. Just because his views don't align with your own does not make him a bad person.

No but his misogyny does.

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