Lloyds bank tripling down

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Just in case we weren’t clear on their stance…

Here’s a question for you all. As an employer, if someone complains to me about a trans woman or man or trans man using the “wrong” bathroom, how do I know? How do you know? Their employment records etc will be in their given name. I’m not going to ask them to undress. I’m more likely to give the complainant a friendly warning about harassment without evidence. Soz.

Well it's got them a lot of 'youth-facing' media attention!

I imagine the employer stance is being driven by internal TRAs, but they have possibly convinced top-brass that it will bring in young punters for that precious first bank account that all the high street banks chase

I would think that if I know, then you also know. Soz.

Let me ask you a question, do you really think that you, as an employer, are likely to be beset by complaints about secretly, possibly trans people, which you would only be able to investigate by asking them to undress?

Do you actually have baths at work?

Also, Soz, have you kept note of the tribunals involving employers who have discriminated against or bullied staff for their gender critical views?

The complainant who you have given a friendly warning to would be in a position to take you to a tribunal for harrassment and possible victimisation under the Equality Act

It's usually pretty obvious and if it isn't who's going to complain?

Let's be honest most of us don't need someone's pronouns shoved down our throats to know what sex they are, we have a visceral reaction and all the frocks and lipstick in the world can't change that.

Funny thing about my visit there was while I was in the waiting area, the only other customers were an elderly couple and several Muslims. It just seemed bizarre to focus solely on progress nonsense. You'd have thought they'd also chuck in a few posters of hijabi women and people with disabilities for example, if they wanted to appear truly inclusive to their customers.
Some people could be forgiven for thinking it was an LGBTQiaetc specific bank and I can see how it might put some customers off.

I’m more likely to give the complainant a friendly warning about harassment without evidence. Soz.

@TransAlly Then you would be on very shaky ground if you haven't any evidence yourself of any actual "harassment" having taken place. Soz.

@ThisOpenMauveLurker I see your point
And you've just reminded me of the scientology place in town (that I've avoided since they caught me several decades ago)

I don't get it. All those transwomen who are so successful at passing nobody can ever tell that they aren't women but it's always the ones that are obvious to absolutely everyone that they interview on TV/radio/newspaper.

I guess Lloyd’s can truthfully point out that the version of the rainbow flag they use is nothing to do with anyone gay.

I haven't been to pride for 20 years. When I did attend there weren't all these organisations and retailers in the parade. Just people. And when they kicked out the lesbians I swore I wouldn't go again anyway. It's nothing like it used to be.

This was supposed to be quoting pps post about the flags and them being off putting to some.

I'll never understand this. If institutions really want to be inclusive and support their community, where are the flags supporting people with poor health, learning difficulties, caring responsibilities, domestic abuse etc?

Why do they only care about being inclusive to Stonewall?

When the automatic doors slide open is there a smoke machine and a spotlight. ✨Tonight, Matthew, I’m gonna be …✨🦄

I have a question for you. If a man is in your female bathroom (do you mean lavatory, rather than a washing facility?) and says he’s a transwoman, how do you know for sure that he’s not really a voyeur or flasher?

As an employer, if someone complains to me about a trans woman or man or trans man using the “wrong” bathroom, how do I know? How do you know? Their employment records etc will be in their given name

Firstly, and for the billionth time, because it's glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't visually impaired. And secondly, I'm pretty sure employment records state the sex of employees

I wonder if it's a Good Law Project type situation? All it seems to take is one morally compromised parent high up in an organisation surrounded by "be kind"/weak colleagues, and poor decisions start to gain their own momentum if left unchecked.

I don’t see the point of flags in banks/shops windows? They are well behind the times surely, these flags were wheeled out years ago to sell shite in supermarkets and score points with stonewall. How many of their employees/customers are LGBTQi*? Who needs to know their bank doesn’t judge them for being gay in this day and age? It’s an empty gesture and anyone with more than 3 brain cells knows it is pointless.

Yes. I think people really lose sight of all perspective in terms of liability and risk with this one too.

An employer who says "everyone can use whatever "single sex" loo they want, in keeping with their multifaceted gender expression, fuck the Supreme Court" is openly flouting the law, and can expect to be dealt with.

An employer who has one employee, Jane, whom they don't know to be trans, and another employee, Susan, alleging "Jane was secretly born male and shouldn't be using the ladies' loo", is nowhere near in the same position. It's a delicate one for the employer to navigate, but not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over (as an employee and hypothetical Susan).

Should have gone to Specsavers.

This really is nonsense and a non problem. Having worked in big organisations like Barclays for decades, I have literally never experienced anyone remotely male-seeming trying to use the women’s loos. I honestly think the idea that anyone can use any loos based on how they identify, is pretty much made up to rile people - especially in the corporate world

also, how will anyone enforce this? Toilet police?

Those pesky women. I mean, who wouldn't want to share a toilet facility with this lovely 'lady' eh TransAlly?