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Prompted by the Dundee uni thread, but also in relation to statements by many other organisations....

Where the fuck were they (excuse my French) when women were shoved to one side to make way for men? Were they apologising to women? Were they issuing statements of support? Were they saying they would do all they could to meet our needs?

Bloody hell it makes me angry.

Me too. Only men could oppress women for centuries, then throw on a dress and some lippy and instantly become the most oppressed group EVER!

… and you’d better believe them or they’ll get violent.

Same where I work, it beggars belief.

I'm actually really livid about it all now. This proves without a shadow of a doubt how seeped in misogyny pretty much the entire country is. All these sad faces and statements being rolled out across so many of our institutions for a small subset of men and nothing supporting women.

We are seen as sub-human without a shadow of a doubt. We had to fight to make sure our dignity, privacy and safety was assured in vulnerable situations but no words of comfort or understanding for what we go through on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. No statements saying that the ruling is protecting our sex based rights. Nothing acknowledging what women have been through for so long under misogyny and this horrible ideology. It's just crickets. Fuck them. I actually am done. I hold all of them in contempt.

And the worst part of all of this is the number of WOMEN saying how awful it is and ‘speaking up’ about their support of TW. What about other women???

I don't understand how so many people including so many women, are on board with all of this. Like with pronouns in signatures for eg, it can only ever be the very self absorbed TW who want to actually make a big deal about thus, and also somehow lots of otherwise normal people who want to...look cool? Signal certain values??? I have friends who have drunk this kool aid and one who has spoken so patronisingly to me about it. I have direct experience in the area, spoken to many TW. I have spoken up, I have, a couple times, in two different organisations and what I learned is that it does my career no good to do so :_(, gentle admonishment, nothing more than that, but still. It is all so harmful to women, girls, boys, the LGB community, TM and just regular TW who have always been around and want to live their lives with no intention of jettisoning the rights of the majority sex on this planet.

It's insane.

Funny how the “be kind” mantra only seems to work in certain directions. No one has been particularly kind to GC women - quite the opposite.

And yet I have actual girl friends who seem to think gc ladies are causing all the problems.

In my experience, the people chanting “be kind” are usually being unkind to the person they are speaking to! What it generally means is “disregard your feelings for those of others” and is almost only ever expected of women. When did you last hear men being told to “be kind”?

I’m also sick of seeing intersex brought into the argument, like it’s proof of some kind of sexual ‘continuum’. It isn’t. It’s also a genetic phenomenon, unlike identifying as a different gender from your biological sex. The two are completely separate issues.

Several women my age (50 ish) were saying the same about their work places. Everyone was eye rolling I am glad to report and pretty pissed off at the “thoughts and prayers” tone when none of the corporates even pretend to give a stuff about women.

Succinctly, wittily and elegantly put. Thank you!

Yes we got a mealy mouthed appeasing email at work basically saying ‘awww fellas don’t worry. We’ve got your back and will dodge this ruling as far as we legally can. Here’s a hotline number otherwise here’s our trans ally if you need to talk about your hurty feels’

I've never understood this. It's almost as if someone said "well, they're a minority" and women throughout the world have been like "oh, a minority? Oh therefore they need our support!".
But they haven't bothered to find out who's actually losing out from this minority!

I’m currently seething at an article/blog piece written by our owner talking about “that difficult subject” of the SC ruling. All about trans. Nothing about women. He’s totally clueless. I feel like telling him but I quite like my job otherwise.

Are older women going along with it? Thankfully all my friends and family have revealed themselves as GC which is a relief. We late 40s / early 50s. Even my 16 year old is GC now.

I have a couple of friends still posting tripe on socials about it. Women who should know better.

I corrected obvious errors- the sex is a spectrum graphic- but haven’t debated as such because the tone makes it clear no one is listening.

Their sense of self is wholly formed on being more empathic than the ordinary girls.

The good news is that being ‘trans’ at my daughter’s school is becoming unfashionable so hopefully the younger generation are seeing sense.

Same. Met with eye rolls and tolerance. My kids call them “the they / thems”. Surely any teenage movement fervently embraced by teachers is dead in the water.

I came across a LinkedIn post yesterday from someone I know, smugly virtue signalling about how government needed to legislate now to deal with this terribly complicated situation and not hide behind the UKSC judgment. I was quite disappointed with the people who 'liked' it, one of whom I am talking to about a job ... I was so tempted to ask him what it was he thought needed to be done specifically but LinkedIn is not the place for it.

“Where the fuck were they (excuse my French) when women were shoved to one side to make way for men? Were they apologising to women? Were they issuing statements of support? Were they saying they would do all they could to meet our needs?”

Transactivists carefully avoided all mention of the fact that they were stealing women’s rights. Initially this was done by absolute stealth, then later via no debate. They also set about vilifying women who did object. That it was so easy for them to do that does speak volumes about ongoing ageism and misogyny.

It’s been a very clever campaign, where despite all their advantages, we are still winning. Many people don’t recognize narcissistic abuse on a small scale. They are even less likely to see it when done on a grand scale, as here. Those supporting all this are the equivalent of flying monkeys. There are always plenty of them, willing to see the best in the male abuser and the worst in the woman whose world he has torn apart.

It is frustrating, but all we can do is keep going.

The senior women I talked to in the pub were of the “ffs no one’s bothered about women are they” which I was relieved about.

Can someone please link to the Dundee Uni thread?

I’m guessing none of your properly know a genuine trans person, someone who at age 2 refused to put on dresses? F-M in this case obviously. Not all trans people have decided later in life to inconvenience women which seems to be the mantra here, some knew they were different before they had the language skills to explain and 20 years before the current “boom”. We need to be able to offer dignity to everyone, to ensure that natal women are not disadvantaged by this but also that genuine trans people (either direction) are not unduly excluded either. So open or mixed sports would be a good example (triathlon have brought this in), larger settings to have a mix of toilets to suit all, changing rooms likewise remembering that families often need mixed changing too, that where appropriate sex is used a determining factor for services but these are limited to strictly necessary (which in life is not many things let’s face it)