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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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Imnobody4 · 03/05/2025 20:36

I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?s=19&t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw

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MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

SquirrelSoShiny · 03/05/2025 20:41

I applaud her as ever. JKR is our queen ❤️

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/05/2025 08:55

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 06:56

You said that trans people are delusional. Therefore, you meant that they are living under a permanent delusion. Delusions are a symptom of serious mental illness. So if trans people are delusional, they must be very unwell. How can someone live a normal productive life if they are so unwell that they are always delusional?

The answer, of course, is that transpeople are not delusional.

Good lord, of course delusional people can hold down jobs!

For example, there is a very common delusion among men that women are lesser than men. Many men believe women need to show respect to men. Some men believe this so strongly that some of them go on to murder their wives or girlfriends because they don't feel their wife or girlfriend is giving them what they deserve.

Of course none of that is real. Usually in reality the wife or girlfriend has bent herself out of shape for years trying to make that man happy, desperately hoping she will get it right this time and he'll stop hurting her.

Would you say such men are delusional? I would. And yet they hold down jobs, are "pillars of society", none saw it coming, such a nice man....

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 08:55

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:06

I think it would be the most useful for you to observe for yourself how the men and women around you live differently, than for an internet stranger to try to tell you.

Could you expand on how you know that the men and women who are ‘living differently’ from each other are indeed men and women? Rather than just generic ‘people’.

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:57

Datun · 04/05/2025 08:50

That's really interesting.

Are there any roles that are traditionally male that women wouldn't be allowed to do if they identified as a male?

And do the women have to have had surgery? You seem to think the surgery is quite important.

This situation hasn't happened at my temple. I'm just talking in hypotheticals about what swapping duties would be. But Conservative and Reform Judaism is very supportive of trans people. Reform even allows for the ordination of transgender rabbis. So a TM could do what he couldn't do as a bio woman - that is, become a rabbi. And Conservative Jewish law allows for trans people to express themselves as their chosen gender in ritual, so I don't think there's anything a TM would be excluded from. And a TW who has been a rabbi would not be allowed to be a rabbi any longer.

Different story in Orthodox communities.

Datun · 04/05/2025 08:57

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women

Yeah awful how she supports all those women in Afghanistan, set up a women's refuge in Scotland, and has a charity for orphaned children. Amongst others.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/05/2025 08:57

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:41

It's a tradition that's rooted in culture and history. It's not about discrimination. Neither sex gets a better or different experience in the temple.

Do the men have to cover their hair in the temple too?

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:58

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 08:55

Could you expand on how you know that the men and women who are ‘living differently’ from each other are indeed men and women? Rather than just generic ‘people’.

It's very obvious in my community. Look at a few of my recent posts.

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 04/05/2025 08:58

She is brave and she is honest. I couldn't admire her more.

Annoyedone · 04/05/2025 08:59

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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So you agree with what she’s saying but not her tone? I think you’ll find the days of women asking nicely for our rights is over. Why should she not call out the virtue signallers and hypocrites?

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 08:59

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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She is talking about the ideological aspect of those who are repeating mantras and signing letters on mass and who are fighting the judgement.

Can you please point out to where she is saying that she doesn't believe people with transgender identities exist and need the protection of the EA?

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 09:00

Datun · 04/05/2025 08:57

This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women

Yeah awful how she supports all those women in Afghanistan, set up a women's refuge in Scotland, and has a charity for orphaned children. Amongst others.

Does she ? I didn't actually know this.. how odd she then supports the Israeli government in killing all the women and children in gaza. How strange? P.s you can do goods things and still be a c£=t so don't come at me with a list. She's clearly half and half in her character .

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:00

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:57

This situation hasn't happened at my temple. I'm just talking in hypotheticals about what swapping duties would be. But Conservative and Reform Judaism is very supportive of trans people. Reform even allows for the ordination of transgender rabbis. So a TM could do what he couldn't do as a bio woman - that is, become a rabbi. And Conservative Jewish law allows for trans people to express themselves as their chosen gender in ritual, so I don't think there's anything a TM would be excluded from. And a TW who has been a rabbi would not be allowed to be a rabbi any longer.

Different story in Orthodox communities.

That's very interesting.

I wonder what would happen if suddenly hordes of women identified as men. And it became a lot less hypothetical.

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:00

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:57

This situation hasn't happened at my temple. I'm just talking in hypotheticals about what swapping duties would be. But Conservative and Reform Judaism is very supportive of trans people. Reform even allows for the ordination of transgender rabbis. So a TM could do what he couldn't do as a bio woman - that is, become a rabbi. And Conservative Jewish law allows for trans people to express themselves as their chosen gender in ritual, so I don't think there's anything a TM would be excluded from. And a TW who has been a rabbi would not be allowed to be a rabbi any longer.

Different story in Orthodox communities.

Women can become rabbis

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:01

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 09:00

Does she ? I didn't actually know this.. how odd she then supports the Israeli government in killing all the women and children in gaza. How strange? P.s you can do goods things and still be a c£=t so don't come at me with a list. She's clearly half and half in her character .

Whereas you appear to be 100%

AlertCat · 04/05/2025 09:01

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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I thought Supreme Court decisions couldn’t be challenged?

Annoyedone · 04/05/2025 09:02

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:58

It's very obvious in my community. Look at a few of my recent posts.

Well it’s not, you’ve said a man can “live as a woman” in your culture if he follows female norms. So on that side of the temple how can you tell who is a woman and who is a man? I think it’s so progressive though that your temples defy the sex segregation and have mixed sex spaces. I think all religions should do this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 09:02

She isn’t in any way the same as extremist trans rights activists. They frequently threaten graphic violence towards women, please link to a post where JKR has done anything more extreme than making fun of them.

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 09:02

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:50

Discrimination would be if one sex received a poorer quality service. That's not the case. Both sexes receive the same service, but they are separated in order to focus better on their spiritual experience, per tradition. What they receive is the same though.

Well, no. Discrimination, in its literal sense, just means treating differently. You are talking about negative discrimination.

In the UK sex discrimination is illegal, except in certain specific instances. So we have 'exemptions' from discrimination law.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/05/2025 09:03

These men don't really need to try, do they? There are plenty of women falling over to do their sexism for them.

This is so dishearteningly true unfortunately. It's the same on any thread where a mans sexual harassment banter has finally got him into trouble, there are always some cool girls who pop up moaning that other women cannot take a joke and should consider themselves flattered of the attention 🙄.

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 09:03

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 08:54

Do not applaud her. She's an extremist the same as the extremists fighting to end women only safe spaces. She goes too far in how she speaks. This issue isn't about saying trans ppl don't exisit. This issue is about protecting women only spaces and fighting for the rights of women. Her comments actually don't help the issue because it makes the cause look hateful. Praying the decision isn't challenged (which it probably will be) and tweets like this will only add to their case.

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What on earth has she said thats hateful?

Or extreme? This is another case of projection and using JKR as a cipher.

Datun · 04/05/2025 09:04

MellowCritic · 04/05/2025 09:00

Does she ? I didn't actually know this.. how odd she then supports the Israeli government in killing all the women and children in gaza. How strange? P.s you can do goods things and still be a c£=t so don't come at me with a list. She's clearly half and half in her character .

Oh well, my list has made it half-and-half. So it's a start.

here's a few more, perhaps we can get it up to two thirds.

J.K. Rowling is a significant philanthropist, supporting various charities primarily focused on children, women, and those with multiple sclerosis. She has established her own charitable trust, Volant Charitable Trust, is the founder and life president of Lumps, an international children's charity and supports the Anne Rowling Regenerative Neurology Clinic

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/05/2025 09:06

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 09:03

What on earth has she said thats hateful?

Or extreme? This is another case of projection and using JKR as a cipher.

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Nothing. But when people don't like the truth they love to claim it's a hate speech to shut women up .

Helleofabore · 04/05/2025 09:06

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:57

This situation hasn't happened at my temple. I'm just talking in hypotheticals about what swapping duties would be. But Conservative and Reform Judaism is very supportive of trans people. Reform even allows for the ordination of transgender rabbis. So a TM could do what he couldn't do as a bio woman - that is, become a rabbi. And Conservative Jewish law allows for trans people to express themselves as their chosen gender in ritual, so I don't think there's anything a TM would be excluded from. And a TW who has been a rabbi would not be allowed to be a rabbi any longer.

Different story in Orthodox communities.

Do you understand though that you are using predetermined roles in one aspect of life to falsely describe how a male person 'lives' as a woman? They are still not 'living' as women live, they are simply copying the roles of female people in your community. It is entirely superficial.

Nothing has changed. They are still male people who live their life as male people.

And them having extreme body modifications doesn't change anything either. They are still male people, just without a penis and testes and with exogenous hormones. Which, could be said for any male person who has had to have their penis and testes removed and who has to take exogenous hormones due to disease.

So, what makes one male person who has had their genitals surgically removed and takes exogenous hormones different from another ?

BackToLurk · 04/05/2025 09:06

StuckUpPrincess · 04/05/2025 08:58

It's very obvious in my community. Look at a few of my recent posts.

No it’s not obvious. There appears to be a very circular ‘explanation’. “This is a woman because it lives like a woman. This is a man because it lives like a man”. Is that what you’re saying? That you only know which are the women through things like which side of the temple they sit and whether they make the bread. If it wasn’t for that you’d be totally stumped?

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 09:06

After having caught up from the posts from this morning -

I am always surprised that even now we get finger wavers coming to tell us off who clearly have no idea of the statistics/history/legal cases/institutional capture/discussions about 3rd spaces etc of what's being going on over the past 15 years. You see a lot of 'l didn't realise that' or 'I'll need to verify that' and have obviously thought we just needed a strong 'just be kind!!' to repent. I genuinely mean this kindly, but perhaps do a bit of background reading before trying to 'be kind' us? I myself lurked for about a year before posting for the first time because I wanted to know the background before wading in and making a fool of myself. I'm not suggesting people should have to do this but perhaps even a vague understanding of why women have been trying to push back the erosion of single sex services might be a good idea before trying to tell us off?

Additionally, a woman is not a man without a penis. A man cannot become a woman by mutilating himself.

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