JK Rowlings latest tweet. Just wow!

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I've copied it in full.
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1918747065460420745?t=bPXQ2pY9VAwPPqFR26_vvw&s=19

In light of recent open letters from academia and the arts criticising the UK's Supreme Court ruling on sex-based rights, it's possibly worth remembering that nobody sane believes, or has ever believed, that humans can change sex, or that binary sex isn't a material fact. These letters do nothing but remind us of what we know only too well: that pretending to believe these things has become an elitist badge of virtue.

I often wonder whether the signatories of such letters have to quieten their consciences before publicly boosting a movement intent on removing women's and girls' rights, which bullies gay people who admit openly they don't want opposite sex partners, and campaigns for the continued sterilisation of vulnerable and troubled kids. Do they feel any qualms at all while chanting the foundational lie of their religion: Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men?

I have no idea. All I know for sure is that it's a complete waste of time telling a gender activist that their favourite slogan is self-contradictory nonsense, because the lie is the whole point. They're not repeating it because it's true - they know full well it's not true - but because they believe they can make it true, sort of, if they force everyone else to agree. The foundational lie functions as both catechism and crucifix: the set form of words that obviates the tedious necessity of coming up with your own explanation of why you're one of the Godly, and an exorcist's weapon which will defeat demonic facts and reason, and promote the advance of righteous pseudoscience and sophistry.

Some argue that signatories of these sorts of letters are motivated by fear: fear for their careers, of course, but also fear of their co-religionists, who include angry, narcissistic men who threaten and sometimes enact violence on non-believers; back-stabbing colleagues ever ready to report wrongthink; the online shamers and doxxers and rape threateners, and, of course, the influential zealots in the upper echelons of liberal professions (though we can quibble whether they're actually liberal at all, given the draconian authoritarianism that seems to have engulfed so many). Gender ideology could give medieval Catholicism a run for its money when it comes to punishing heretics, so isn't it common sense to keep your head down and recite your Hail Mulvaneys?

But before we start feeling too sorry for any cowed and fearful TWAWites who're TERFy on the sly, let's not forget what a high proportion of them have willingly snatched up pitchforks and torches to join the inquisitional purges. Call me lacking in proper womanly sympathy, but I find the harm they've enabled and in some cases directly championed or funded - the hounding and shaming of vulnerable women, the forced loss of livelihoods, the unregulated medical experiment on minors - tends to dry up my tears at source.

History is littered with the debris of irrational and harmful belief systems that once seemed unassailable. As Orwell said, 'Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.' Gender ideology may have embedded itself deeply into our institutions, where it's been imposed, top-down, on the supposedly unenlightened, but it is not invulnerable.

Court losses are starting to stack up. The condescension, overreach, entitlement and aggression of gender activists is eroding public support daily. Women are fighting back and winning significant victories. Sporting bodies have miraculously awoken from their slumber and remembered that males tend to be larger, stronger and faster than females. Parts of the medical establishment are questioning cutting healthy breasts off teenaged girls is really the best way to fix their mental health problems.

One seemingly harmless little white lie - Trans Women are Women, Trans Men are Men - uttered in most cases without any real thought at all, and a few short years later, people who think of themselves as supremely virtuous are typing 'yes, rapists' pronouns are absolutely the hill I'll die on,' rubbing shoulders with those who call for women to be hanged and decapitated for wanting all-female rape crisis centres, and furiously denying clear and mounting evidence of the greatest medical scandal in a century.

I wonder if they ever ask themselves how they got here, and I wonder whether any of them will ever feel shame.

The gender fairy doesn't fly down out of the sky and donk people on the head with a magic wand, declaring "I now assign you trans!"

Is this what you think it is to be trans? Something so utterly ridiculous and trivial and make believe? A game of fantasies and fairies?

if this is truly what you believe about being trans it’s no wonder that you have no respect for the humanity of trans people.

OK, if you can truthfully say that you don't know what it means to live as a man, or to live as a woman, maybe you could ask people you know. I do feel that it's very obvious, so you're best off asking people who know you and might understand why you don't observe any differences between the way men and women live in our society. To me, the general differences are so obvious that I don't think I'd make a very good job of teaching this point.

Scarlet Blake was one of the worst instances of this, imo. Doggedly reported as a woman by the BBC and others.

For some reason, his identity as a cat was not reported as him being an actual cat, but his 'gender' delusion was accepted.

Disturbing case, btw. Content warning for murder and animal cruelty.

Ah you’re mixing up apples and pears there.

Im not talking about mixed sex spaces. They’re not actually as safe for women, and not great for women who have been sexually assaulted by men, or who want a single sex space for religious reasons. But they’re fine.

I’m talking specifically about single sex changing rooms. Single sex toilets. Single sex prisons. Single sex hospital wards. Single sex rape crisis centres. Single sex domestic refuges.

All of those places we keep ALL men out because we know that a small minority threaten our safety.

So the question again, if we keep all men out because a small minority are dangerous, shouldn’t the same logic apply to trans women? Especially as we’ve already identified that up to 95% of them retain their penis and male physique….

As for the data, absolutely please do go and verify it. It’s taken from data provided by HM Prison Service directly. A bit later today I’ll try and find the root source that the table was made from. But it’s UK figures, using data from our prisons.

You say that trans women will get “beaten up” in make facilities. That’s the line that is often repeated but there’s not been any incidences reported of this happening. Trans women aren’t being assaulted, raped, or killed when they enter men’s single sex spaces.

In contrast, I’m going to attach a list here. I didn’t compile this but it’s been doing the rounds. It’s a list of just some of the trans women who have assaulted women in private spaces.

I appreciate that you’re trying to be kind, inclusive, and thoughtful - and that’s the viewpoint most GC women started from. But we’ve been shouted at for suggesting third spaces and we’ve seen our fellow women physically attacked as bigots for daring to want to keep male-bodies individuals out.

Not all trans women “just want to pee”. Many get sexual gratification from being in women’s spaces, while some have even more malignant reasons for wanting to be there.

Women aren’t a shield against male violence. Statistics repeatedly show we are the ones being put at risk and honestly, that’s just not ok. One more woman raped because our single sex spaces were given up is one woman too many.

In the meantime the world sympathises with the trans community who go on marches carrying signs saying things like “kill a TERF” etc and no one says a word.

We continue to be attacked in spaces designed for us that we’re supposed to be safe and yet we’re the villains??

The trans community need to campaign for mixed or third spaces but they need to leave single sex spaces intact for where we’re our most vulnerable- prisons etc.

It’s interesting you say this, because genuinely I think the only way I live different to my other half is all routed in my female biology. I have tampons and pads in every bag and the glove compartment in case I ever get found short. On the heavier days of my period, I have to make plans for toilet facilities, particularly if we were going for a walk. DH doesn’t have to plan anything - he just grabs his keys and goes. Pissed on hedgerows if we out for a walk.

I am aware of my surroundings in a way my husband isn’t. He’s actually been mugged twice as a teen but even then he’s not speeding up if it’s getting dark and there’s a single man walking behind me.

I’m still breastfeeding my younger and have to plan around that. It also makes me the default caregiver, even though DH probably actually does more of the nap/ bed times and gets up with DS in the morning - but, even though I’ve tried to be more hands off this time it’s still mummy he wants when he’s poorly because I can comfort him in a unique way.

I wore jeans and a men’s band T-shirt yesterday. I don’t wear make-up. I cut the hedges whilst DH cleaned the bathroom.

I do, like most women, take on the bulk of life admin and chores generally but I’ve never, ever heard of that being something men do when they transition (other than in a performative fashion). You should have a look at the Trans Widow threads to see what I mean regarding that.

So my point is that ‘living as a woman’ only differs from men in that my female body limits or changes the way I manage things. Everything else is meaningless.

I really would be interested to know what you think it means if not that, as you obviously have something else in mind and I don’t understand what you mean.

Well, delusions are a big part of psychosis, aren't they?

This is a huge and gross misrepresentation of what de Beauvoir said with this line (which you have taken entirely out of context), which was that biological females are forced into a performative gender role that many find oppressive and at odds with themselves but is forced on them because they are biologically female.

I realise that once a person says men can be women, they have outed themselves as someone who will lie about absolutely anything but the sheer shamelessness never ceases to amaze.

Readers Note: No male person can ever live or experience life as a woman. They can only ever experience life as a male person who believes they are a woman.

Even when they 'act' like a woman, they are acting as they believe a 'woman' should act. Which is fucking misogynistic when you unpick it!

Even if they are treated 'as a woman' by some people, they are being treated as a 'male who presents as a woman and believes they are a woman'. Because their every reaction is based on that. Not on them being female in any way. But based on their own reaction developed over years of them reacting to the way they interact with society and themselves and how others interact with them while having a male body and a mind that processes stimuli in that male body.

Even when they have extreme body modifications, it is to be their own concept of what a female looks like to them. It is not what a female is. They are still processing stimuli and making decisions based on the way they interact with society and themselves and how others interact with them while having a male body.

How can it be any other way?

The only way a person can experience life as a woman, is to have a female body, formed around the production of large gametes, even if it doesn't produce those and to navigate their life based on the decisions they and society makes that revolve around them having that body.

A male can conceptualise what it might be like to be a female, but that is all it ever is - their concept of being female.

They may do it because they don't feel they fit into how they conceptualise how a male person interacts with the world (ie. their own stereotypes around being male) or they do it because they want to be seen as a female (using their own stereotypes of how a female navigates life). It really doesn't matter though. Their motivation is irrelevant to the outcome. And I consider the outcome can only be described as misogyny.

Which is that they will always be just a male who believes they are something they are objectively not.

How can the material reality be any different? This is why someone's gender is only based on someone's philosophical belief. And philosophical beliefs are fine for people to hold, but not one person in the UK has to comply with another's philosophical belief.

The logic cannot be any different than that I am afraid. But apparently, we should just let these male people into female single sex spaces.

I suspect that if you actually start describing how a man can live a woman, you would soon discover that you are running into very sexist waters.

I also imagine it won't involve things like being the stay at home parent, taking care of elderly relatives, and writing all the Christmas cards.

Try it. Just write a list of the ways a man can live as a woman - and watch the sexism unfurl!

I’m sorry but you obviously have no idea of what you would label “real transpeople” and their irrational demands of everyone else in society.

In court, in the media, on social media, TW have vehemently insisted that they are categorically “BIOLOGICALLY FEMALE”.

If you want a starkly terrifying example - Dr Beth Upton - a transwoman (biological male) and a medical doctor - has insisted that Upton is a biological female (stating they are not a robot [therefore biological], and not a man [therefore a woman]). Dr Upton also stated under oath that if a female patient asked for a female medical professional, Dr Upton would attend, as they are a biological female.

It is remarkable really. Once a thread is pulled the entire thing unravels.

@SpidersAreShitheads So the question again, if we keep all men out because a small minority are dangerous, shouldn’t the same logic apply to trans women? Especially as we’ve already identified that up to 95% of them retain their penis and male physique….

I don't think that intact TW should be allowed in female spaces, only ones who've had the full transition and are permanently on hormone therapy. But since most of them are apparently intact, then it should be third spaces. It should also be third spaces just because many women don't want to share with non-bio women, whether transitioned or not.

I don’t know what “living as a woman” is beyond having a biologically female body and surviving to adulthood. Please enlighten me about the collection of stereotypes you believe it is.

I believe that most people have given up waiting for a coherent and logically consistent definition as to what being transgender is.

I honestly don't feel capable of giving this lesson. Like I said, it might be more useful to ask people around you how men and women live differently. Perhaps society is quite different where you are compared to where I'm from, so you're best off asking within your own culture and community.

We have been suggesting third spaces for, er, quite a while. You see yourself how much appetite there is in the trans campaign for it and how much call for them has been made. And how much campaigning for men to be welcoming of TW in their spaces.

They do not want safe male spaces or third spaces. It must be the women's spaces only.

Yes, but delusions are not only part of psychosis. Lots of people live with all sorts of delusions. And many if not most of them are fully functioning, have jobs, families, etc.

Schizophrenics can live and function well, if their condition is well managed. But delusions don't necessarily involve mental illness. They can be part of various disorders, but aren't necessarily a disorder in themself.

I just found it a surpeising assertion that delusion would preclude living and functioning in society.

That's before we even get to whether people who believe they are trans are deluded or not. My answer to that would be: some certainly are.

As I just said to another poster, I don't feel qualified to give this lesson. If you want insights, you should ask people what's the norm for your own culture and community.

@StuckUpPrincess
I don't agree that trans women will be safe in male loos, if they've transitioned to the extent that they can't switch back to a male look. They're very likely to get beaten up.

	Beaten up? If a man sees what he assumes is a woman in the male loos he beats her up? Or do you mean a TW who doesn’t pass is automatically beaten up by men? Why? What kind of establishment are they even in for this to be likely? You have a low opinion of men in general I think. Maybe that’s telling?

I can't speak to your points about TW being attracted to women as I don't have stats about that or about who's more likely to attack who.

	We do though, read the thread or the room or all the research about male bodied people being statistically more likely to be sex attackers, male bodied people attack both other male bodied people and female bodied people. Female bodied people, generally, don’t do this.

I'd like to independently verify the info in the graph you posted, because when I read about sexual attacks in the papers, I don't ever remember the report saying that the perp was trans. So I'd be surprised if the data is accurate.

	Me too, the data is all screwed up by the fact that the press don’t report sex accurately, recording male crime as female if the perp wears a wig and demands to be called Isla, for example. Again, TW are not really the problem until society starts bending to demands that we include any man who says they are a TW even with full beard and penis

I don't think they think they ARE the opposite sex, biologically - that would be a delusion. If they were under a delusion that they actually were the opposite sex, then they'd be perfectly happy, wouldn't they! No, they know what biological sex they are, and they want to be the other one. The very fact that they try to change in order to be as like the opposite sex as possible proves that they are NOT under a delusion that they are that sex already.

        Mate you are well behind on this one. Time to catch up - trans people pretend to believe they ARE the other sex deep down somehow and they want us all to pretend they are as well. I know, sounds delusional, right? And weirdly controlling, huh...

What is the difference between a male person who has had their penis and testicles removed because of injury and disease and one who has had extreme body modification to fit their own personal philosophical belief about themselves?

Why is one to be accepted into female single sex spaces and the other not?

Every single bloody day!!!!
Enough now
Biological women are women, the highest court has decided.
ENOUGH
It's getting fuckin tedious now

I don’t live my life as a woman. I am one. If posters mean you have to wear gendered clothes, pretty shoes, make up, put the washing on, cook dinner for your family, do the shopping and sort the kids out, that’s just sexist stereotypes. If you start thinking about it, it will probably make you quite angry too that women get a real shitty deal with stereotypes and it’s a one of the reasons I am very critical of gender…it’s not bloody fair on women.

You mean, these are arbitrary and context-dependent social conventions? Stereotypes, in other words.

So we are back to Miss Piggy in her lovely frock.

StuckUpPrincess

When a man says he's living as a woman, and you agree with it, what you are agreeing to is that he is inhabiting a set of stereotypes. He's obviously not living as a biological one. Therefore, what is it?

Seriously, just try the list. Is it hair? Make up? Mannerisms?

If you're being rational, you will agree that no it can't be.

So what is it?

Is it just that he says so?

Right. You don’t understand what being trans is. It doesn’t make sense to you. You don’t believe it is real. As you say, you’re still waiting for that “consistent and logical definition”.

that is what is at the heart of this. If that’s your attitude to trans people it’s no wonder you take the policy positions you do.