Amendment to Data Bill to revert all gender markers and out all trans people

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Hoping this passes, it shouldn't be possible to change your sex (a biological impossibility) on legal documents. This would prevent men using this loop hole to erase their past identities and stop male crimes being recorded as female crimes.

I hope that is what it is Seethlaw. But I guess the issue comes about when they then feel inclined to censure others who do understand that there are extremists who are the ones driving the agenda while knowing there is a group who do respect the needs of everyone else and are wanting to find equitable solutions.

Done

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/urgent-action-email-your-mp-today-on-the-data-bill/

The thing that drives me mad is that they don't even censure you on what you do do, but on what they've been told you do. They are literally not talking to you, but to some scarecrow in their mind!

Adding this link here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14677801/JK-Rowling-FUND-womans-case-sue-police-stripe-search.html

As the police refuse to change policy to the law, and require that men who identify as women be permitted to strip search women as part of their 'respect' for the man's identity choices. Something no other man is allowed to do. Can you imagine that experience for a woman? To be forced to submit to a man's hands on her, to undress for him, in full knowledge he's a man but she has to join a pretense that he isn't? And women police officers still required to search men who identify as women. We know from women officers that this can happen with said man smirking and making sexual comments: the abuse and assault still goes from man to woman regardless of 'identity' and the 'respect' is always one way too.

From the article:

'Rank-and-file officers – especially women – are said to be fuming at the leadership's response. One Northumbria officer said: 'The messaging we're getting as officers reveals a stunning lack of urgency. There's no rush to review policy.' She described the NPCC's stance as: 'Keep calm and carry on – we hate this ruling and are looking at options to circumvent it.'

A female officer said the lack of acknowledgement for women's concerns made her feel like she 'just doesn't matter at all.' She added: 'There is no contrition. No recognition of the harm done to women's rights and the homophobia demonstrated by the embrace of gender ideology and the conflation of sex and gender.'

This is what you were marching for if you joined that protest. That women's bodies are something that you want enforced to submit to men's use, with women legally restrained and gagged from resisting. That's the truth of it however much you hide behind sad rhetoric. Your hands are anything but clean.

I remember telling a police officer when he was standing between me and the screaming protestors (literally screaming so no one could hear the women speaking) that what these people were screaming was so unreal that it felt comical except for the stated violence etc. They were yelling slogans that had no alignment with what was being discussed on the day. It was completely fabricated and disconnected from reality. But someone told these protestors that is what we believed. And when we tried to point it out to the protestors they didn’t want to listen.

Ye gods, we're back in that time machine again

All.of those words and all you did was totally ignore the issues around only having corrupted data on which to build, fund, run a society on

It doesn't matter what you want. Society cannot accommodate it. You cannot replace your sex with your gender. Having both your sex and your gender clearly recorded on governmental data, NHS etc would ensure you get the best, most appropriate care and society gets data itvcan rely on - including what levels of care and accommodation really are needed for trans individuals

So why not sit down with a nice cup of tea, break put the good biscuits and decide what itbis you really want... affirmation or appropriate, efficacious care?

Just got an urgent request from Sex Matters asking us to email our MPs today!

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/urgent-action-email-your-mp-today-on-the-data-bill/?mc_cid=64c1a15509&mc_eid=f5aa4cab23

Officers in Sussex were told the 'complexities of this ruling are far greater than has been publicly acknowledged.'

By complexities he means cowardice. It's simple, men cannot strip search a woman.

The problem with the police is, they're too shit scared to tell the men that.

Good for you.

i will keep fighting for the rights of actual women!

Thanks for mansplaining feminism though 👍🏼

The thing is that whether knowingly or through lack of understanding, you turned up to support a movement that is characterised by the denial of women's voices, needs and life experience, that demands women (in the original female sense) lose their legal and social existence, that says a man's external projection onto us of what a woman is and feels is more authority than us desrcibing our own lives.

Please do more research about what the cause you are supporting really wants.

It's not being nice to sad people who wish they were the opposite sex and making sure they are safe from attack.

It's male rapists in women's prisons because if "woman" isn't exclusively female, of course some women will be rapists so it's transphobic to reject them as women just for behaving like the most vile of men.
It's an all-male board being gender equal if half of them are trans women.
It's Dr Beth Upton saying he is a biological woman and therefore entitled to perform intimate procedures on women who asked for a female practioner.
It's a dead rat nailed to a rape centre door because they were a female-only space.
It's Sandy Peggie being disciplined at work not because she asked Dr Upton not to get changed in the ladies changing room but because she stopped changing while he was there. He complained because she did not take her clothes off for him.
It's women's sportwear being advertised by Dylan Mulvaney doing a typical man's impression of girls being bad at sport instead of one of the many great sportswomen.
It's Andrea Chu Long explaining sissy porn made "her" trans because the essense of a woman is blank blank eyes and an expectant hole and that's how she wanted to be.
It's Kathleen Stock walking to work past posters demanding she be hanged.
It's JKR receiving enough rape and death threats to paper a room.
It's https://terfisaslur.com.

I'm sure your child is lovely but you are supporting evil in their name.

My family member is the most kind, gentle person you could wish to know.

Neither kind nor gentle if your family member is demanding people set aside their reality to uphold your family member’s fantasy, if they are predating on the language and spaces of the opposite sex, or denying same sex attraction - which was what your lovely protest was all about.

Be fair, this new clarification has made it incredibly complicated trying to find a way to continue to give the men what they want.

That's exactly it

@IleftmybaginNewportPagnell I'm sorry you're upset. You're not the only one here with trans family members who we care about. It's in everybody's interest to have accurate information about biological sex separate from gender identity.

The Amendment to the Data Bill is a good'un, for your relative's sake too.

@TruthInTransition Trans identified males are men, sorry but that is the truth. The word woman is not a shared identity with men it refers only to actual women, human adult females. Trans identified males are not women and were never legally considered women it was only the misrepresentation of the law by groups like stonewall, it was these clowns that lied to you.

Women do in fact get to tell men NO and yes we do get to tell you that you aren't a woman and that you cannot enter our spaces and our sports and you cannot represent us in anyway, no man can. They only reason you are here being so belligerent and showing utterly male sense of entitlement and misogynistic attitudes to women is because you know the tide has turned and women no longer have to tolerate men like you, the law and the authorities are now finally on the right side of history, our side, the side of actual women and opposed to transgressive males who shit all over women's rights and woman's needs.

Tran identified males are attempting to erase women because if a male can be a woman just by saying he is by taking cross sex hormones, developing gynecomastia, and undergoing body modifications the the word woman becomes utterly meaningless. So no you are not a woman, you never have been and never will be you can only ever be a man. Any claim you are a woman is a lie and any attempt to enter women's spaces is a deceit, a transgression of women's boundaries and ultimately abusive and predatory behaviour towards women. But then men like you don't actually give a shit about women do you? We are just props to men like you, a collection of body parts and tropes you feel you can wear, hmmm reminds me of a rather famous movie from the 90s!

Wear a dress all you like but as the law now requires stay out of our spaces, sorry fella but the jig is up, you will not win this one.

@IleftmybaginNewportPagnell It doesn't matter if your trans relative is a saint. The issue is that sex must me and has been clearly defined now in law to mean that only actual females can be women and have access to women's spaces. If we start saying that people can change sex when they cannot then sex becomes meaningless under the law and that completely eradicates women's rights and protections. There is nothing inhumane about making a male you the men's facilities and so the TRA's don't have a leg to stand on.

My trans relative is really quite unpleasant.so.maybe that balances out @IleftmybaginNewportPagnell .

On the police searc, this has to be sorted sooner rather than later. Having recently transitioned my biological male 50 something relative is clumsily getting a massive kick out of wearing a dress. Women's toilets and getting humiliated in public. Getting a young policewoman to search him would definitely tick a box for him. Pleased to hear JK is on this one.

Plus this isn't just about the different tactics, of women and TRAs, violent or otherwise. There is that, of course. And if anything proved our point, it has to be that these men are violent and are campaigning for access to unconsenting women.
But the issue is, we don't have to prove our point. Our point is, and always has been completely legal.
Men do not have the right to access women only spaces, and they never have. If you find that upsetting then you are supporting the loss of women's rights.
Because, they are pie. Men are either in, or they're out.
A lesbian is either a woman, or both sexes. Women's sport is either for women, or both sexes. And the same goes for changing rooms where women are taking their clothes off, and toilets, where they are specifically quite vulnerable.
Please, try and understand, women are not therapy for men. We are not here to fulfil their requirements. We're not their shield, we're not their comfort blanket, and we're not their mum.
it's completely unacceptable misogynistic, and bloody regressive to expect all women and girls to compromise their safety for the sake of a handful of demanding men.

This from Datun,

And this from TheOtherRaven

This is what you were marching for if you joined that protest. That women's bodies are something that you want enforced to submit to men's use, with women legally restrained and gagged from resisting. That's the truth of it however much you hide behind sad rhetoric. Your hands are anything but clean.

Tell me what is the difference between what you ileftmybafinNewportPagnell are advocating for and what the repellent misogynists of the Andrew Tate ilk are? You are both wanting women and girls to be nothing more than service units for the wants and desires of men and boys.

Note: to avoid misgendering this post uses sex-based pronouns not gender based pronouns.

Thing is, for all @TruthInTransition 's word salad, all he was doing was making a case for there to be social and legal recognistion of a group of people who identify with the social constructions around womanhood as separate from the needs and experiences of being female.

And that might well be true and reasonable.

What he has not done is made any case for why recognising this group's existence has to mean female people should not also be recognised as a group with legal and social needs and rights, nor why the new group of people who "feel like a woman" should get to take over the name Woman and the rights, history, language and provisions that come with it from the female people to whom it has always applied and were the people who actually lived that history and whose needs are what shaped the rights.

Because like all TRAs his focus is only on the trans people's needs and wants. The needs and wants of others are simply not in his universe.

Thank you. Done.

The right to privacy cannot be absolute. In a medical emergency sex may be very relevant to treatment so it needs to be accurately recorded, for example.

I just don't understand how a right to privacy would apply when it is (generally speaking) glaringly obvious what sex someone is.

I suspect the problem is these rights apply to the interaction with the State and organisations, not with individuals in daily life, and not enough consideration is made over how this creates clashes and nonsensical situations.

It’s what makes the GRA unsustainable in the long run.

That and the fact that sex discrimination is generally illegal, so there is no ‘living as a sex’; except when it is legal, which is only ever justifiable for reasons that relate to sex.