Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

Is there some kind of top trumps of Psychiatrists I've Been Assessed By game on Reddit?

I'm beginning to think we're being ineptly castigated by the TRA equivalent of that Japanese soldier left behind on the remote island with nothing to do but stew in his narcissistic delusions for thirty years..

I assumed it was about being ignored. That doesn't go down well with grandiose, self centred narcissists.

None of your juniors, only Actual Senior ones please.

I'm not here for an argument, just pointing you back to the topic of this thread.

I feel like a Pinata wondering why none of your sticks seem to be long enough.

I came here to offer an opinion on why the world isn't rushing to agree with your awesome victory

Like the men who rush to sign up on here to tell us how important sex is to them, we know. We know you don't like it. Do you think that has not been clearly communicated to us over the past checks notes six years, or even a bit longer? Were you worried that after years of fighting in courts, abuse, death threats, public pissing displays, avoidable attacks in toilets and prisons, stolen sports medals, cancellations and erasure, we had not got the memo?

But what you don't seem to have grasped is that we don't care what you think (as long as you stay on the right side of the law), but for you, everything rests on what we think. You can hate the law all you want and think and say what you like about it, but as long as you abide by it, that doesn't matter.

You, on the other hand, want to have your self image reflected back at you by everyone you see and everywhere you go. You think of yourself a certain way and you think that obligates everyone else to act as though they think the same as you, no matter the detriment to themselves and their safety, dignity and equal opportunity, or even just their right not to see you as you see yourself.

That's why you're fighting so hard to change our minds, because with no legal backing, and clearly no intent to campaign for third spaces, all you can really hope for is to break the law and get away with it because you have our approval because we think the way you want us to. It matters to you what we think. It is everything.

You need us to think of you as a woman/man (I'm not clear what sex you are) because your woman/manhood is not a material reality, but dependent on external reflection and validation. Otherwise, it would be enough for you to dress and present as you please and use a third space. But it isn't.

And depending on external validation is not an authentic way to live. Nor is refusing to accept yourself for who you are and demanding to be treated as that which you are not.

Is that not a form of erasure?

I'm not interested in a dick measuring contest. That's the point.

Our sticks aren't long enough because we're female. That metaphor's a bit of a misogynistic self-own, don't you think?

MBD is only here to rage at women. That's the whole and entire point.

great post @ThatCyanCat👏

There is such a thing as a male alto, just as there are female tenors. @MadBadDaddy may have a naturally high voice.

Jinx, Arabella!

If I mention Pinata sticks and you think "genitals" then that's very much a "you" problem, and I would advise either talking to someone about it, or never talking about it.

What saddens me is that there seems to be a grasping for a sense of ‘identity’, which superficially elicits my compassion. Unfortunately the amoral vacuuming of other groups’ legitimate historical and current oppressions (such as the photoshopped appropriation of a 1960s American racial segregation sign) and scrapbooking an acquired persona just turns my stomach.

So you can use metaphors but women can't.

Am I convinced any further that I'd like to share a space where I'm vulnerable and undressed with a man who so voceriferously loathes and despises women?

No. No I'm really not.

These individuals don’t care. It’s not a movement founded on making women feel comfortable, is it?

I'm not interested in changing your minds. You all deserve each other. The point I've been making is that "privacy safety and dignity" is just a mask, and that ordinary people see past it as your dehumanising rhetoric keep spilling out regardless of any effort to keep it behind your back.

Unfortunately I suspect that women saying 'no' is a good part of the attraction.

Gotta find boundaries in order to transgress them!

“Ordinary people” in the majority would rather have single sex spaces. “Ordinary people” mostly don’t support men using female spaces, or competing in our sports categories. “Ordinary people” don’t approve of transing children. We know all this, and can demonstrate it, so you’re wasting your time. Your specific filter bubble is irrelevant.

Yes @ArabellaScott

What is all this terrible hunger for assumed identities and labels? Is it part of consumerism? Does it make it easier to market yourself? Far from breaking boundaries, it’s incredibly confining. It does absolutely nothing if you are actually looking for a meaningful existence. Why not just have some good hobbies and friends and exist as best you can?

The gaslighting and dehumanisation will never stop will it? This place never changes.

Women will never wheesht.

I'm not interested in changing your minds.

Mm hm.

privacy safety and dignity" is just a mask

Ah, you're male. I thought so but it seemed an odd choice of username for someone trying to be perceived as female.

Yes, I appreciate that this is very very hard for male people to get. Lots of "good" men don't really get it either. However, when most women, the only people who can live as women, understand and agree that these things are actually real (what are you seeking for trans people and why can't additional third spaces suffice?) then it's fair to say they are real, and the men who foot stamp about it are, well, wrong.

You sound like the poster who complained that men are being "punished" and "scapegoated" by not being allowed access to women's spaces. It's quite an extraordinary way to frame it!

This is so depressing. And obviously this is the kind of thing my DD is reading on the Internet and believing: that we're all going around eliminating other human beings.
I wish a TRA would answer my questions about why females should accept males using their spaces and taking their prizes, rather than transwomen (the issue is not at all the same with transmen, who, being female, can use their sex-based rights) using their own rights under the Equality Act and as the dominant sex in society.
Why?