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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stock - "These people are just a bit thick"

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Another2Cats · 29/04/2025 14:04

So, Kathleen Stock has just made her views on people like Joylon Maugham et al known.

She started off with a tweet that said:

"Never mind the serious reputations, the accents, the swagger, the BBC connections, the Guardian column, the KC status, the rave book reviews, or whatever it is - like no other issue, trans ideology shows up people who are really quite stupid."

Which, not unsurprisingly, got a lot of replies. Some in support and some defending these people.

In reply to those defending these people she then had this to say. It's a different take on how to approach the argument. Don't know if I entirely agree:
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I never do a long post but first time for everything. Lots of lively comment on my "they are just quite thick" explanation of Establishment transactivism capture (proposed hashtags #itsthestupidstupid #makeidiocymortifyingagain).

Also, some alternative explanations being proposed. I suppose my conclusion is: it doesn't matter if they really ARE thick, or just pretending/left-brained/lost in a cult/cosseted from the consequences/ smart in a way that makes them susceptible to motivated reasoning.

Having spent best part of six years (FML) arguing patiently with these people, a) I am not convinced of the more charitable explanations for notable characters, and b) either way, I don't care any more. If it walks like a moron, talks like a moron, it is – for all relevant purposes– a moron, and we should say so.

So for instance (just a small selection from timeline today):

  • if you think transwomen (men) are to women what step-parents are to their children YOU ARE A MORON (think it through to the end: when was the metaphorical marriage? wtf is "womaning" as a verb? Wearing kneesocks?)
  • If you think you can't know your own sex because you haven't seen your chromosomes YOU ARE A MORON (if that is the burden of proof, how do you personally know you have a brain?)
  • If you think that the Supreme Court should have "consulted trans people" about their "lived experience" while interpreting existing law YOU ARE A MORON, this is not what courts do; and for good reason - how would it be workably scaled up?
  • If you base your glowing view of trans ideology on what your daughter at private school and all her mates tell you (it doesn't affect us, Dad, why can't they just be kind?), then YOU ARE A MORON. What kind of general epistemology is that, exactly? You seem to be confusing having 360 degree insight into the intersection of law and social reality with them being able to use the remote better than you can.

I see so many people on here trying to shame the likes of Maugham, Campbell, Stewart, Harman (insert your most annoying establishment shill for transactivism here) on the grounds of their ethical failures and inability to empathise with vulnerable or respect basic fairness norms. It is hopeless. These people are utterly convinced of their moral rectitude, they automatically take disagreement as a sign of the limited mindset of their opposition.

We should forget all that, and hit them where it hurts: in the ego. THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST A BIT THICK. They are promoted way above their station, have blustered through on their accents, educations, and connections, and now the tide is going out, we can truly see who is naked. Let's learn from this, and never trust their so-called expertise on any other matter again.

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/1917165815339589823

https://x.com/hashtag/makeidiocymortifyingagain?src=hashtag_click

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/05/2025 19:34

TheOtherRaven · 02/05/2025 21:50

This is a good point.

I think too the endless whining about 'it's complicated' is at heart moral cowardice.

"but it's complicated" was the whinge when women were raped in prisons and being made to undress in front of men who wanted it in their work place, and denied services or resources. They couldn't protect women because 'it was complicated' which sounded - vaguely - as if they cared there was a problem but their poor little hands were tied.

And now the law makes clear that they CAN protect women, and that those men can have equality and their own spaces without women being harmed - and still comes that teeth grating whine that they can't because 'it's complicated'.

They'd much prefer please to go back to women being hurt and harmed and subordinated to men while whining a bit about how complicated it all is. Because actually it appears that they were totes ok with the women being hurt and harmed and subordinated by and to men bit, that was fine, the whining was merely a means to not have to own it or take any responsibility for it and still feel like a good person.

Cowards.

Absolutely this.

DrBlackbird · 04/05/2025 14:44

toomanytrees · 29/04/2025 19:10

Calling people "a bit thick" doesn't really get to the heart of the problem. It doesn't really convey how dangerous these people are. "Stupid like a fox" might be a more helpful description. Most of these people are cunning, unscrupulous silver tongued liars, deceivers and manipulators.

For me, there are two camps of believers. One is what toomany calls the dangerous group who know full well what they’re doing eg SW, Mermaids etc. The other group is the rushing to be kind without stopping to reflect on what TWAW really entails eg most academics.

I’m not inclined to call either group morons. Not the least because my own caring DC might fall into the latter. But actually the first group has been extraordinarily strategic and clever infiltrating the highest level of organisations, firms and public bodies over many years.

Whilst neither group actually believes that people can change sex. The latter group do fall for convoluted beliefs that somehow a feeling about one’s gender trumps biological reality. That argument falls at so many hurdles, but it’s one that has been perpetuated and repeated ad nauseaum by the first group until it’s become accepted as the truth. It’s very hard to argue rationally against an irrational belief. People get defensive and more obstinate the more you try.

Grammarnut · 06/05/2025 16:17

LittleBitofBread · 29/04/2025 14:57

I know KS has had a bellyful of nonsense and I can see why she's at the end of her tether, but unfortunately I can't get past the word 'moron', which is considered pretty offensive now.

I know I'm being naive/Pollyann-ish saying this, but I would tend to take the Michelle Obama tack: 'We go high'.

I think moron covers it. Offensive? Yes. They have been offensive.

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