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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans former judge to take government to ECHR

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CervixSampler · 29/04/2025 09:58

Trans former judge is taking the government to the European Court of Human Rights over SC ruling

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Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:51

CervixSampler · 29/04/2025 10:04

I like the “nonsense of two sexes at once” part because it is correct that nobody can be two sexes at once. You are either one or the other. The former judge has a birth certificate saying Female which is incorrect as it should say Male. I don’t think that changing sex on documents should be permitted because it is a lie and adds to perceived confusion.

Intersex people can be two sexes at once

spannasaurus · 01/05/2025 17:53

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:51

Intersex people can be two sexes at once

No they can't

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:54

spannasaurus · 01/05/2025 17:53

No they can't

Pretty sure having a vagina and testicles (internal or not) makes you both sexes at once

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 17:56

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:51

Intersex people can be two sexes at once

@Roxietrees Please would you send the examples and descriptions of those particular differences of sexual development and statistics as to their prevalence?

I think I recall Professor Winston saying the cases of people with a DSD for which you cannot tell the sex are infinitesimal.

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 01/05/2025 17:58

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:54

Pretty sure having a vagina and testicles (internal or not) makes you both sexes at once

Humans cannot produce both sperm and ova which is what would be needed to be hermaphroditic.

FlowchartRequired · 01/05/2025 18:07

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:54

Pretty sure having a vagina and testicles (internal or not) makes you both sexes at once

You are wrong. Sex is determined by gametes.

A human who has cyptorchidism and has a pseudo-vagina is a male with a DSD.

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 18:07

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 01/05/2025 17:58

Humans cannot produce both sperm and ova which is what would be needed to be hermaphroditic.

So what are they then? Male or female? Sure, most legally identify as one of the other, but it’s not biologically that simple. They might have more male sex characteristics than female or vice versa but considering many have a number of characteristics from both sex they can’t catagorically be one of the other. Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate. Would love to hear from any intersex people on their own opinions about their sex..

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Intersex people are not simply male or female. The term "intersex" describes individuals born with sex characteristics (chromosomes, hormones, or anatomy) that do not fit typical binary definitions of male or female. This means they have variations in their sex traits that are not exclusively male or female

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 18:09

@Roxietrees
What you describe does not make both sexes at once.

A person would need to have both testes and ovaries.

lcakethereforeIam · 01/05/2025 18:11

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Now do the one about diverse nazis, that was hilarious!

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 18:16

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 18:07

So what are they then? Male or female? Sure, most legally identify as one of the other, but it’s not biologically that simple. They might have more male sex characteristics than female or vice versa but considering many have a number of characteristics from both sex they can’t catagorically be one of the other. Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate. Would love to hear from any intersex people on their own opinions about their sex..

AI description

Intersex people are not simply male or female. The term "intersex" describes individuals born with sex characteristics (chromosomes, hormones, or anatomy) that do not fit typical binary definitions of male or female. This means they have variations in their sex traits that are not exclusively male or female

Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate

You evidently have not read the thread or read anything scientific about DSD.

People affected are not forgotten, and they are not ‘trans’ or ‘intersex’. Nor should their condition be hijacked to pretend that sex is on a spectrum.

FlowchartRequired · 01/05/2025 18:17

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 18:07

So what are they then? Male or female? Sure, most legally identify as one of the other, but it’s not biologically that simple. They might have more male sex characteristics than female or vice versa but considering many have a number of characteristics from both sex they can’t catagorically be one of the other. Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate. Would love to hear from any intersex people on their own opinions about their sex..

AI description

Intersex people are not simply male or female. The term "intersex" describes individuals born with sex characteristics (chromosomes, hormones, or anatomy) that do not fit typical binary definitions of male or female. This means they have variations in their sex traits that are not exclusively male or female

The term 'intersex' is outdated and misleading. You mean disorders of sexual development (DSD).

The universal, biological definition (UBD) of sex is completely logical and works across plant and animals, including sequential hermaphrodites (for example, the much touted 'sex-changing' clownfish - just think about how we know that they have changed sex) and simultaneous hermaphrodites that produce both gametes at the same time.

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:19

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:51

Intersex people can be two sexes at once

Wtf @Roxietrees , are you this uneducated and deeply ignorant? NO ONE can be 'two sexes at once'. Say that back to yourself. Wtf happened to you that you even remotely think that is a possibility. Scientifically and Biologically - it's impossible. Every single member of the homo sapiens species is either male OR female. No one can be both at the same time. Even intersex people DNA-wise and Chromosome-wise are ETHER male OR female. And a Chromological test will show which sex.

This is 2025. How did we get to the point that people actually think you can be 'both' sexes? Wtf is going on with education these days?

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:20

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:54

Pretty sure having a vagina and testicles (internal or not) makes you both sexes at once

Er.......NO! It means your outside organs haven't developed that they match your CHROMOSOMAL sex.

Seriously.....wtf is wrong with you?

FlowchartRequired · 01/05/2025 18:22

@Roxietrees You'd be better of reading something about sex by... oh, maybe an evolutionary biologist (Richard Dawkins, for example) than listening to AI-generated vomit.

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:24

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 18:07

So what are they then? Male or female? Sure, most legally identify as one of the other, but it’s not biologically that simple. They might have more male sex characteristics than female or vice versa but considering many have a number of characteristics from both sex they can’t catagorically be one of the other. Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate. Would love to hear from any intersex people on their own opinions about their sex..

AI description

Intersex people are not simply male or female. The term "intersex" describes individuals born with sex characteristics (chromosomes, hormones, or anatomy) that do not fit typical binary definitions of male or female. This means they have variations in their sex traits that are not exclusively male or female

You're really relying on AI? I know that people who are intellectually challenged may do that, but, serious? Wtf? A person who has DSD (intersex) is EITHER male or female. A chromosome test will show which. It is not humanly possible to be 'both' sexes.

Fuck me, this is horrible. Can someone remind me, we are in 2025? And there are still ignorant people that think people with DSD (intersex) are 'both' sexes??

Someone please, tell me that poster is trolling. Before I lose hope in humanity. Please?

Please?

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:25

lcakethereforeIam · 01/05/2025 18:11

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Now do the one about diverse nazis, that was hilarious!

Intersex nazis that are communists. That would be great.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/05/2025 19:08

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:20

Er.......NO! It means your outside organs haven't developed that they match your CHROMOSOMAL sex.

Seriously.....wtf is wrong with you?

Is it really necessary to show your frustration by being so rude? Many people on here used to be much more ignorant about biology than they are now, including me as it happens. @Roxietrees is asking questions and stating opinions that deserve straightforward truthful responses.

Helleofabore · 01/05/2025 19:15

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 17:54

Pretty sure having a vagina and testicles (internal or not) makes you both sexes at once

No. Having ovaries or testes allows your body to be categorised into one or the other sex.

With modern technology, this is quite reliable to test for now. And your ovaries or testes do not have to be working to make a diagnosis.

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 19:18

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 18:16

Feel like intersex people are the forgotten-about minority in the gender debate

You evidently have not read the thread or read anything scientific about DSD.

People affected are not forgotten, and they are not ‘trans’ or ‘intersex’. Nor should their condition be hijacked to pretend that sex is on a spectrum.

🤣🤣 did I say that I think sex is on a spectrum or say anything at all about my views on sex and gender? Nope.

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 19:28

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 18:24

You're really relying on AI? I know that people who are intellectually challenged may do that, but, serious? Wtf? A person who has DSD (intersex) is EITHER male or female. A chromosome test will show which. It is not humanly possible to be 'both' sexes.

Fuck me, this is horrible. Can someone remind me, we are in 2025? And there are still ignorant people that think people with DSD (intersex) are 'both' sexes??

Someone please, tell me that poster is trolling. Before I lose hope in humanity. Please?

Please?

It’s so easy to wind you people up it’s unreal 🤣 almost as ignorant as terfs stuck in a prehistoric era who don’t believe in gender identity 🤣🤣

DrudgeJedd · 01/05/2025 19:31

"terfs stuck in a prehistoric era"

Is that you David Lammy?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 01/05/2025 19:31

Ach let them get on with it. It’s their time and money they’ll be wasting. TW would do well to remember it’s not just them with rights, women have them too.

FlakyCritic · 01/05/2025 19:34

Roxietrees · 01/05/2025 19:28

It’s so easy to wind you people up it’s unreal 🤣 almost as ignorant as terfs stuck in a prehistoric era who don’t believe in gender identity 🤣🤣

Ah, so you admit it's all about winding us up? Or is it just that you don't want to be seen to be uneducated on DSDs so make an excuse. And the prehistoric era is those who believe in the fantasy of 'gender' 'identities'. You still believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus and easter bunny don't you.

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2025 19:43

Time to ignore.

EweSurname · 01/05/2025 19:49

Tenuous link - look who’s ignoring the law once more

Trans former judge to take government to ECHR
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