Wetherspoons on the SC Ruling

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Don't know if this has been posted yet, sorry if it has - but thought it was interesting!

IKR.

In a surprising turn of events given Wetherspoons, some NHS trusts, the BMA etc on Reddit, there’s a post about how someone’s company emailed everyone to say they now have to use facilities in line with their sex.

Interesting to see how many people think that this isn’t legal (ie how many people are wrong).

what law is that excatly in relation to toilets ?

when ive been delivering in different villages, towns etc personally i dont care how they label the toilet, as long as if anyone is in the toilets with me then they behave and we can use the toilets

Perhaps over-optimistically, this looks like an attempt to comply with their understanding of the law, albeit outdated.

Given the owner, I can’t imagine Spoons HQ is super woke.

Another thread mentioned insurance. They could have an issue with this.

Shan't be going to their pubs anymore, which is a pity since the beer is cheap and good. Perhaps sense will prevail? Or will they continue to break the law? It takes one woman to protest that there is a man in a lavatory designated female to do it, I would think.

I welcomed, as a Brexiteer, Wetherspoon's support - it was an island of sanity in a sea of lies/scaremongering from Remain. I also welcomed that the Supreme Court said Parliament should vote on Brexit - which was a boomerang that came back and hit Ms Miller, as I remember. Did she really think Parliament was going to vote against a democratic decision under a referendum which had promised the answer would be acted upon?
Just shows that you can agree with someone on one thing and then find they are batshit crazy (and illegal) on another!

'TRA MEANS BREXIT' is a placard I am looking forward to.
Wielded by some gammon faced, red-trousered type with a 'bring back page 3' badge.

I think if it says women/female then that has to be honoured i.e. no males of any type allowed in. Wetherspoons may have to relabel their lavatories unisex/neutral which may not go down too well.

No, someone who thinks dying their hair funny colours is gender non-conforming.

Funny, I have found neither, ever.

I think that's a) an unlikely scenario and b) your comment is racist (gammon) and classist. I am a Brexiteer. I don't wear red trousers (unflattering colour), and do not have a red face. Nor do I wave placards supporting trans people's right to violate women's sex-segregated spaces. Not going to report you but leave you there looking racist and classist.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could skip all the inevitable court cases

God, I love NC.

From what I can make out on that video Tim Martin is talking about gender neutral from trans people IN ADDITION to the toilets already in place. He also mentioned

Wetherspoons could have fun navigating this - their customers are probably quite an unusual mix of working class "tell it like it is" types, and penniless woke students.

What would happen if a non trans person used the trans loo ?

I contacted Wetherspoon on Saturday when I saw post on X with the email from Customer Services saying customers can use whichever toilet they fancy. Looks like they have now stopped the knee-jerk responses.

(Don't shoot me for saying "EHRC guidance" rather than "update"!)

To Wetherspoon Customer Services

Sat 26 April

Is it true that Wetherspoon's pubs are going to discriminate against women by allowing men to use the Ladies toilets? I have never seen a man dressed as a woman in the toilets when I have been to any of my local Wetherspoon pubs for a meal but if Wetherspoon does this then lots of them are going to descend on Wetherspoons.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission has issued guidance today to help businesses understand the implications of the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April:

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/interim-update-practical-implications-uk-supreme-court-judgment

If you still have separate Ladies and Gents toilets then is against the law to let men (males) covered by the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to use the Ladies.

If you do not have Ladies toilets that are for women (females) only then this could be indirect discrimination against women (females). I would say that it IS discrimination against women because my friends and I would not feel safe to meet at Wetherspoons any more.

Please let me know as soon as possible what Wetherspoon is going to do so that we can decide where to meet now.

Reply from Wetherspoon Customer Services today

Mon 28 April

Thank you for contacting the Wetherspoon customer services team.

We are currently looking into the issues you raised and will be in touch in due course.

Thank you once again for getting in touch.

Many thanks,
Wetherspoon Customer Services

(Edited to add "signature" from Wetherspoon)

Well, there's another reason not to frequent Wetherspoons.

So his answer is incredibly interesting as he was honest in his final answer. He betrayed that not doing this is to serve his own interests , in this case financial but it could be any other unknown interest (financial/sexual/misogynistic etc. ) that someone might hide behind virtue signalling.

TBF, Spoons is often good at repurposing historic buildings and giving them a new lease of life. My local one is a Grade II listed building.

They either operate as mixed sex /gender neutral or single sex. Whatever is on the door is who should be using the facility. If the door indicates women or female then TW should not be allowed.

I agree. There are Wetherspoon's pubs in some lovely old buildings. They are also very affordable places to meet to have a meal. The only thing I have got against them is that they do not allow dogs, even in the beer gardens, which is quite unusual these days.

I know that some people prefer venues that are "dog free" and some people are allergic. Most pubs the size of a typical Wetherspoon's that are "dog friendly" do segregate "dog free" and "dog friendly" areas. Wetherspoon is oddly out of step on this.

Anyway, access to single-sex toilets is the main priority. If they don't get that sorted out then whether or not they are "dog friendly" is irrelevant.

I am most disappointed in Spoonies.