Wetherspoons on the SC Ruling

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Don't know if this has been posted yet, sorry if it has - but thought it was interesting!

Suffolk. I've seen messy toilets everywhere from nice cafes on the Southwold coast, to grotty town centres and train stations.

I detest public toilets, even when they're clean they make me gag, but I rarely find them in a decent state.

Public toilets can be rank. I've not been in one for years, our LA has closed them all except for one in the town centre. When I was in Suffolk a couple of weeks ago though, the loos I used seemed fine. Though I went to Aldeburgh not Southwold. The worse were the NT toilet block at Dunwich and that was just tired and cobwebby.

If their staff use the toilets as they do in my local spoons then they certainly do. Also they run the risk
of indirect sex discrimination if they don’t provide them. I wouldn’t fancy the job of explaining g to a judge why they have suddenly decided single sex toilets are no longer necessary

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/wetherspoons-tim-martin-gender-neutral-toilets-trans-supreme-court-b2739288.html

Boss speaks out

Surely any pub could simply supply one toilet only, and say it's unisex. They're not compelled by law to offer separate sex facilities. They just need to have a lockable toilet available to all customers.

Well women have a lot more to do in their toilets than men. Menstruation being one of them.

When women's toilets are designed, the sanitary bins are usually squeezed down the side, with not the smallest sign that designers even realised they had to accommodate them.

Women's toilets have to be bigger than men's, for that reason alone.

I'm sure some women are messy. But I'm going to hazard a guess, that in a mixed sex cubicle, almost all men will pee standing up. And all women pee sitting down.

As I said, biology means we use these facilities differently. Therefore, they should be entirely separate and dedicated.

To say it is "complex" and "confusing......"

Once they get the EHRC guidance, though, it wil all become very clear.

I wouldn’t fancy the job of explaining g to a judge why they have suddenly decided single sex toilets are no longer necessary

Exactly. All this pussyfooting around the issue, because a handful of men have absolutely lost the plot.

And not because they've nowhere to pee. But because they've been thwarted in their demand to dominate women spaces

While I find women's toilets less smelly, many women appear to 'hover' so the toilet seats are often splashed with urine.

GreenFriedTomato · Today 10:17

We, the Palestinian Authority stand with our Trans Brothers. Sisters, whatever

Come to Gaza! We will welcome you@

... By throwing you off a roof.

No, he meant the EHRC.

I don't care what your biology is, that doesn't excuse bloody tampons on the floor. If you can't get it in the bin, wrap it in tissue and dispose of it outside the cubicle

I dont understand this. I wont use Wetherspoons due to the Brexit support and I wouldnt have used them due to this toilet issue. Wheres the squirming?

I'm assuming it means they hated Tim Martin before, but now he's supporting trans rights so he's one of the good guys
(If he actually is supporting which I doubt )

how embarrassing

I think the only thing he is supporting is "Wetherspoons not having to spend £millions on altering toilets".

The real issues is that if they choose not to, they can no longer describe them as "single sex". And to do so would expose them to any liability that arose from their misdescription.

The work from hereonin is to scrutinise labelling to look for tell tales signs of weaseling out. For example toilets that are segregated by gender not sex.

The fun will start when someone asks an organisation in advance if they are providing toilet facilities based on sex or gender, and then lodge a small claim (technically fast track) if they said they segregated by sex but continue to segregate by gender hoping no one would notice.

However, as someone who has engaged on disabled provision for 30 years, I'd advise people to be prepared for fuck all to happen.

A Brexiteer going to the ECHR that they detest ?

Possibly but as the EHRC guidance states they may be opening themselves up to discrimination claims by not offering single sex facilities.

Reading building regs posted elsewhere, the focus should be on single sex as a priority, alongside disabled. Unisex options would be in addition to these.

The risks for sexual assaults (and fatal health events) especially In bars and pubs, go up for fully contained cubicles, due to lack of door gap.

Wetherspoons are licensed premises. Most licencing authorities require compliance with BS 6465-1:2006 Sanitary installations. Code of practice for the design of sanitary facilities and scales of provision of sanitary and associated appliances (+A1:2009) as a licencing condition.

I would not go in a Weatherspoons if they paid me. Well, I’d need a grand. Really dislike the owner and people like him still draw in the punters who he’s made worse off by his Brexit drivel.

The attachment almost looks pre Supreme Court. If they have mixed cubicles with individual basins, they can continue with that I think. If they don’t most people think three spaces now - but Tim Martin won’t want his profits dented. I’d urge everyone to walk on by.

Going to them? No, he was complaining about them, in the quote in the comment that I replied to.

Wow. WS just checked and I stand corrected.

So just thinking about doing it qualifies.

Wow.