Keir Starmer "adult female" niggle or am I nitpicking?

[lechiffre55]

Is anyone else getting this wierd vibe that Keir Starmer still doesn't get it.
I'm grateful for the adult female bit, but that the word human got left out makes me think he's just repeating a few words without really understanding what he's saying.

If all adult females are women then adult females of all species are women, cows, dogs, cats, bees, elephants etc.....

There's a test for dementia that involves three words being spoken and then requested to be spoken back. Is "adult human female" really that difficult to remember?

From experience so far, I would personally not rely on that man to tell me the right time. I doubt it was accidental.

He does however get the head teacher's sticker in assembly this week for stuffing the most forms of the word 'clear' into a comment.

I think the human is implied

it’s very odd, I agree, when we take into consideration his background.

A head on the CPS would certainly know they have to use the full expression.

Nothing should be implied.

This is why the law had to be clarified.

I agree. He's a lawyer, he knows words, and how they are used, matter. Leaving out the word human gave me an uncomfortable feeling it was an intentional omission but I don't have any good ideas about why he might have done that.

The EA 2010 states that (for the purposes of the act) a woman is a female of any age and a man is a male of any age so the inclusion of the word adult whilst omitting human seems like an ominous sign.

I freely admit that, having given me no reason to trust him, I do not trust Starmer so am possibly being paranoid.

I think this is unreasonable. We know what he means. He's not writing a dictionary and his word isn't law.

Here's another thing people say: "born a woman". I'm sure people on here must say it. Of course nobody is strictly born a woman, when you are born you are a girl. But we wouldn't accuse somebody who used that phrase of not knowing what they were talking about, as if they actually believed people can be born as adults.

I thought the same. Adult female what? Cow? Horse? Lobster? I appear to have taken to shouting at the telly. And the radio. I had to turn off Any Questions the other day as Sian Berry was just unbearable.

I felt the same, he chose his words carefully.
As someone else said, he looked like he’d swallowed a wasp.

Yep.

He struggles with this stuff and it shows.

I assume he doesn't want to say adult human female as that would align him too closely with Posy Parker. I'm sure he is trying to keep doors open so he can back out of this if the court of public opinion turns out to be against it (unlikely imo).

I think it was deliberate so that he couldn't be accused of quoting Posie Parker.

We all know when he’s asked this question he’s talking about humans and not cats or guinea pigs.

I agree. He wants to avoid being associated with gender-critical campaigners by using one of our slogans.

You're nitpicking The debate was always about humans.i don't see the need to add the word.

No, that doesn’t get him off the hook.

He has been weaselling around this for a long time.

He had to say it. He didn’t.

Could or would the Government try to change the law to row back on the SC judgement? That is the fear for me. To even contemplate or debate it in Parliament gives me the shivers now.

I think I have to agree with those who say he didn't want to use the words associated with gender critical campaigners. I'd like to think he loses sleep worrying about this sort of stuff given how much of a craven coward he is.

I think it's more basic than that. I just don't think he wants to acknowledge that women are actually human, I think he sees us as a sub species

Absolutely this.

I do also agree that human is implied in this context - with the question he’s being asked in interviews, he’d look a bit mad saying “well they’re human, obviously” to the majority of voters who likely haven’t heard the slogan.

He already looks foolish for saying some women have penises, so I think he made the right decision not to invite more ridicule for being able to identify that women are human.

I think it’s easy to forget that we over here in our GC spaces are also in a bit of a bubble where this saying makes perfect sense to us and just rolls off the tongue, but which can sound oddly specific to people who haven’t been following the debate that closely.

Given the HoC statement yesterday, and how much both sides were claiming to have always pushed for and always desperately wanted this SC judgment, that’s not going to happen now.

He could have said the more accurate 'adult female human'. But he didn't. He's left off the 'human' the past two times. I'm not happy.

You are definitely not nit picking, as I said yesterday, he's a spineless twat. The missing word human was intentional, I agree he is trying to disassociate himself from KJK's Adult Human Female, and yet, that was the dictionary definition until the TRA's pissed about with it. She didn't make up the term Adult Human Female.

I think we know from experience they (politicians in the red team) are now just repeating words and not believing.

I can't celebrate this: it's a circular definition. "A woman is an adult female" could include trans women, if that's what you believe, and he's indicated that he believes as many as six impossible things before breakfast in previous interviews.

I do think they considered that a headline of “Starmer acknowledges women are human” wouldn’t be a great look, as it would suggest it took a court ruling to tell him this bit too.