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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl Guides and the SC judgement

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Timefordrama · 22/04/2025 21:15

It was the Girl Guides' trans policies which first opened my eyes to the nonsense. I've just checked their website and they are still saying that trans girls can use girls' toilets and changing rooms, and share accommodation with whoever they want. There's no indication that the policies are gong to be reviewed in the light of the SC judgement. Anyone know any more about this?

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Shedmistress · Yesterday 11:50

user08101988 · Yesterday 11:46

They are also letting trans men into GG (Girlguiding) (for unintelligent people who do not understand how language works: someone who were assigned female at birth who transitioned into a man) so they are letting MEN into GG now. Give me evidence that giving young trans girls the space to be themselves (a girl) is so destructive to the cis girls there.

When does a boy become a 'young trans girl'? What has to change in order for this transformation to take place? How would the norrmal 'woman on a trolley bus' be able to determine the difference between a boy and a 'young trans girl' exactly?

Cheers in advance.

user08101988 · Yesterday 11:53

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Igneococcus · Yesterday 11:53

BettyBooper · Yesterday 11:47

How they don't realise that this level of desperation to get men into spaces with little girls is decidedly creepy is beyond me...

I'm always amazed by the unjustified believe in the quality of their own arguments.

Igneococcus · Yesterday 11:54

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Gametes are the only things that matter from an evolutionary biology perspective.

DialSquare · Yesterday 11:56

Igneococcus · Yesterday 11:53

I'm always amazed by the unjustified believe in the quality of their own arguments.

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And the audacity to call others unintelligent and slow.

Igneococcus · Yesterday 11:58

DialSquare · Yesterday 11:56

And the audacity to call others unintelligent and slow.

And the believe that they are cutting and scathing :)

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 11:59

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I'm not the slow one. You are the one who is spouting tripe.

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:04

Shedmistress · Yesterday 11:50

When does a boy become a 'young trans girl'? What has to change in order for this transformation to take place? How would the norrmal 'woman on a trolley bus' be able to determine the difference between a boy and a 'young trans girl' exactly?

Cheers in advance.

I hope this is a question in good faith, as it definitely feels like it.

Generally, when looking for evidence someone is transgender, 3 key things are looked for. If gender dysphoria is 1. consistent, 2. insistent, and 3. persistent. That is generally what differentiates a cis person from a trans one. Sometimes gender dysphoria doesn't show up until late in life and sometimes it shows up the second they leave the womb.

When looking at younger children, there are signs such as calling themselves a boy when they are assigned female at birth, or picking to do more feminine/masculine things which are the opposite from their sex assigned at birth. The best way to explore this is to give them free reign in the clothes sections and toy shops to pick whatever they want.

However, it is up to the child mostly as they know what they are feeling best. If they feel like they are experiencing gender dysphoria (and are old enough to understand what it is), they probably are. If they have talked to you about it, then talk to the relative people (other family members, teachers, group leaders, etc.) and make sure they are comfortable in themselves.

In regards to the "woman on a trolley bus", does she need to know?

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:05

Igneococcus · Yesterday 11:54

Gametes are the only things that matter from an evolutionary biology perspective.

Oh, so you don't understand biology then

Shedmistress · Yesterday 12:07

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:04

I hope this is a question in good faith, as it definitely feels like it.

Generally, when looking for evidence someone is transgender, 3 key things are looked for. If gender dysphoria is 1. consistent, 2. insistent, and 3. persistent. That is generally what differentiates a cis person from a trans one. Sometimes gender dysphoria doesn't show up until late in life and sometimes it shows up the second they leave the womb.

When looking at younger children, there are signs such as calling themselves a boy when they are assigned female at birth, or picking to do more feminine/masculine things which are the opposite from their sex assigned at birth. The best way to explore this is to give them free reign in the clothes sections and toy shops to pick whatever they want.

However, it is up to the child mostly as they know what they are feeling best. If they feel like they are experiencing gender dysphoria (and are old enough to understand what it is), they probably are. If they have talked to you about it, then talk to the relative people (other family members, teachers, group leaders, etc.) and make sure they are comfortable in themselves.

In regards to the "woman on a trolley bus", does she need to know?

If the Woman on a Trolly Bus is managing a guides or brownie pack then yes.

What is the differential diagnosis for 'gender dysphoria'?

Hoardasurass · Yesterday 12:07

user08101988 · Yesterday 11:32

Quick note on your language there. "Men who self identify as women" are also known as trans women or, even simpler, women. Since GG is for "all girls" (quote from their website) that includes ALL WOMEN. It is also well documented that trans women do not pose a threat to cis women in women-only spaces. If you are going to say "What if they are men and just want to look at little girls in a sexual way?" then should we prohibit lesbians or bisexual women from volunteering when they are already in a tough spot for volunteers because what if they look at the little girls in the same way.?

No, men who identify as women is appropriate though trans identifying males is my preference.
Transwomen is a misnomer and trans women is an outright lies as they are men/males not any type of women.
As the supreme court ruled last year trans identifying males are not any type of women and as such are barred from all their female single sex spaces, groups and facilities, so no trans identifying males can't join GG and that is why all of those who joined under illegal guidelines are now being booted out.
As for your lies about trans identifying males not posing a threat to women and girls in single sex spaces look up Katie Dawalski (sp) and barbie cardashien (sp) or just the moj stats

Girl Guides and the SC judgement
Shedmistress · Yesterday 12:07

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:05

Oh, so you don't understand biology then

Which bit of biology is incorrect?

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:08

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 11:59

I'm not the slow one. You are the one who is spouting tripe.

So, you are not slow, despite you needing to use an ad hominem to try and win? No facts at all in that statement. I think the liberals win here, honey

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:08

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:05

Oh, so you don't understand biology then

I must have got that PhD in a raffle.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · Yesterday 12:10

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:08

I must have got that PhD in a raffle.

Damn, I had to pay a dodgy guy round the back of the Tescos for mine!

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 12:11

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:08

So, you are not slow, despite you needing to use an ad hominem to try and win? No facts at all in that statement. I think the liberals win here, honey

There was the fact that you are spouting tripe.

For example, everyone knows that these days you don't need to be experiencing gender dysphoria to be transgender. But there you are claiming that assertion as fact on another post.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:12

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:08

I must have got that PhD in a raffle.

What about that promotion where they gave them out in boxes of crunchy nut cornflakes? That’s when I got mine.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:13

“The liberals win here”? Who, the Lib Dems? This ain’t Kansas, honey!

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:16

TwoLoonsAndASprout · Yesterday 12:10

Damn, I had to pay a dodgy guy round the back of the Tescos for mine!

There are no Tescos where I got mine from.

Hoardasurass · Yesterday 12:16

user08101988 · Yesterday 11:46

They are also letting trans men into GG (Girlguiding) (for unintelligent people who do not understand how language works: someone who were assigned female at birth who transitioned into a man) so they are letting MEN into GG now. Give me evidence that giving young trans girls the space to be themselves (a girl) is so destructive to the cis girls there.

No they are allowing women and girls whose sex was observed as female at or before birth regardless of how they identify to join whereas before they were illegally discriminated against by being barred.
As you said earlier GG is for all girls, regardless of how they identify and trans identifying females are still female ie women and girls.
Surely you should be happy that GG are now actually trans inclusive

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:12

What about that promotion where they gave them out in boxes of crunchy nut cornflakes? That’s when I got mine.

That's how dp got his.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · Yesterday 12:18

Igneococcus · Yesterday 12:16

There are no Tescos where I got mine from.

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Sad times.

Hoardasurass · Yesterday 12:21

DialSquare · Yesterday 11:56

And the audacity to call others unintelligent and slow.

Especially when using a single discredited study to back up his assertions 🤣

nocoolnamesleft · Yesterday 12:21

user08101988 · Yesterday 11:46

They are also letting trans men into GG (Girlguiding) (for unintelligent people who do not understand how language works: someone who were assigned female at birth who transitioned into a man) so they are letting MEN into GG now. Give me evidence that giving young trans girls the space to be themselves (a girl) is so destructive to the cis girls there.

For those who don't understand how biology works, no one is assigned female, or male, at birth. Their sex is recorded. On the very, very, rare occasion where there are ambiguous genitalia, urgent investigations ie blood tests including genetics, and USS, are used to rapidly identify the sex. You're talking bollocks. Bollocks, incidentally, are a male characteristic.

user08101988 · Yesterday 12:22

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