Page 4 | Do you think the majority are for or against the ruling?

sadandpmsing · 2025-04-22T16:24:07+00:00

Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men. Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:55

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 17:53

I think the focus on toilets is doing us no favours. And I think people are exasperated at all the toilet talk.

If the focus was on rape crisis centres, homeless shelters, prisons and women's sport, with some discussion of how there have been real life issues in those areas, a lot more people would be vocally supportive.

That’s probably why the TRA focus is on toilets. It’s the low hanging fruit if the argument

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:00

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 18:08

Well yeah, you can pretty instantly spot who the men are in this video 😬😬😬https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1913976069457162253

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The great unwashed. These are not the best and brightest of people. They pretend that they are marginalised cos “twansohobiaaaa” but the reality is they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:12

TheOtherRaven · 22/04/2025 19:16

Yes. They are 100% the public face, and there's a total lack of any groups or agencies coming forward to condemn it and say 'not in our name'.

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And with higher profile TW such as the man who thinks he lives free in JKRs head posting about the pissing protest it really doesn’t give a great impression of the TRA argument

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:28

miraxxx · 22/04/2025 19:31

Self id is the sticking point.Normal people expect some gatekeeping and boundaries but the arrogance of the transactivists has greatly diminished whatever public sympathy there was. The politicians are beginning to realise public sentiment has shifted and the political shift is also starting to form, even on the left. The Cass review and now the SC ruling have an impact that cannot be denied or wished away as incipient fascism.

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Does Anyone remember the transexual Julia (I have forgotten his surname) who was subject of BBC documentaries in the late 1970s/early 1980s? I think that is still the image a lot of people have of someone being trans. There are clips online showing his doctor being incredibly forthright to him. I especially enjoyed the doctor questioning him about how would he know what it feels like to be a woman. Self ID, the removal of gender dysphoria from DSM5 and not even needing a diagnosis of gender dysmorphia or body dysphoria.

More and more people are identifying fetishists rather than genuine dysphorics. The first group invoke disgust rather than the pity we may have had for the second group.

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/04/2025 23:30

Not bothered, tbh. Biological woman, 60 years old.

FiveBarGate · 22/04/2025 23:44

Merrilydancing · 22/04/2025 20:48

I think it has been slowly gathering pace but Isla Bryson really put into sharp focus what it actually means in reality. If we just take the toilet issue which is tiny tiny part of it, no woman would want to share with him. Also no decent man would want their female relative to share a toilet with him.

It will be interesting to see where the teenagers are going with this as my one says that the trans at their school are all the freaks and weirdos so are avoided. if this is the case, we may see a significant drop in the numbers of young, vulnerable people transitioning.

And yet those poor young college students were told they were transphobic when they questioned his presence on their health and beauty course where they had to strip to their underwear for spray tanning.

In Scotland this changed many people's feelings.

My FB has just fed me a post about the actress from Brigerton and a trans fundraiser and boycotting Happy Potter. Thousands of comments, all seem to back JKR which is definitely a turn around.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/04/2025 23:44

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:45

I think a lot of people think TW are females who present as men and vice versa. The language used is deliberately ambiguous and misleading. ‘True gender’ is a phrase I have seen in policy documents for example

a lot of people think that TW are fully transitioned with no male genitalia rather than the fact that most retain their genitalia

other people think that they have also been officially diagnosed as having gender dysphoria and have somehow been born in the wrong body even though that is no possible as we are our bodies

But I have spoken to women who work for in the NHS and for the police and it’s always in whispered tones as wrong speak has such serious consequences. Hopefully people will feel that transmen gender and DEI policies can be questioned now especially when the SC ruling is so clear.

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When I've discussed the issue with DH, it takes constant clarifying of which sex he means as he swaps transwomen to mean women, not biological males. It's sport that's put it vaguely on to his radar but it's not something that he's really looked up much as he tends to bias towards financial and geopolitical news.

He'a glad that common sense has prevailed.

It's been such an aggressive "no debate" campaign stigmatising critics because it simply doesn't stand up to logic and scruitiny.

The obsfucation of language in the media has made it much harder to scruitinise the issue if you don't know what you're looking for.
And the double standards of policing language in one direction, but intolerance of women just being women and not requiring that dreadful, unnecessary prefix is absolute stinking hypocracy.

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 00:08

The obfuscation has been 100% a deliberate ploy.

Journalists whose fucking job it is to communicate clearly have failed the general public.

Enough4me · 23/04/2025 00:16

The men who care are busy shouting and weeing over statues. Like toddler tantrums over hearing the word no.

OhcantthInkofaname · 23/04/2025 00:28

I'm in the US and am really grateful for the UKSC ruling. I think the problem might occur if someone tried to change the law.

Trump's executive order that there are two sexes is the only thing I agree with done by him.

Datun · 23/04/2025 00:42

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Oh my God, who the hell are they kidding???

They can't be serious

Datun · 23/04/2025 00:46

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:00

The great unwashed. These are not the best and brightest of people. They pretend that they are marginalised cos “twansohobiaaaa” but the reality is they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

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they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

Without wishing to be mean, it's totally this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/04/2025 00:48

Yep.

cariadlet · 23/04/2025 00:54

Gandalfatemyhamster · 22/04/2025 17:52

I live in the most lefty, liberal bubble in a town beginning with B, outrage from all. No one apart from the very elderly seem to see sense prevailing. I’m genuinely scared to support the decision on SM. Or in my work place.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet so apologies if someone else has already mentioned this.

I can think of 2 places that could be. If it's either of the ones I'm thinking of, join WRN and you'll find out that you're not the only Terf in town.

user101101 · 23/04/2025 09:39

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

OMG they think we cAn'T TeLL?!!!! 😂😂😂

aylis · 23/04/2025 09:51

Weird how on social media it's absolutely ok to criticise the right for their attachment to gender and adherence to stereotypes but you absolutely cannot criticise trans activists for the same.

Hoppinggreen · 23/04/2025 09:54

I think most people who knew it was an issue are pleased and those who had no idea such a ruling was even necessary are a bit annoyed about the waste of time and money.

Timefortulips · 23/04/2025 09:58

I think the real question is, how many people even know what was going on?

If you ask people "should a convincing post-operative transsexual be allowed to pop into the ladies' loo for a quick wee when they're bursting?", many people will have sympathy.

If you ask people "should a rapist who wears a blonde wig go to a women's prison?", they will be gobsmacked that this could ever have been on the table.

MommaSmith · 23/04/2025 10:15

Tell you what the comments on this versus that Peanut app is very night and day

so I’ve got extremists in my extended circle for both sides of the argument. I know a female to male transgender person and I know a man who is very anti trans not to the point of being ultra disrespectful but he’s very in his mind. A man is a man and a woman is a woman.

all the women and some of them men that we know are rallying behind the transgender person and bullying the man who believes that you can’t change your biological gender to the point where if they see him in public, they start throwing stuff at him

I also have a few gay friends and I know this is just a small percentage of those that are gay but none of them believe in the whole gender thing

The only thing I have ever commented on is the fact that my cousin’s girlfriend turned around and said that she was Transgender and wants to eventually have surgery and yet turned to my cousin and said to him that if he left her then he’s anti-trans so I asked him what was happening and he turned around and said well I guess I’d have to be gay now….

it seems to be a lot of men do not believe in this movement and it’s women who are for it…

EasternStandard · 23/04/2025 10:16

Probably for.

Daffodilsarefading · 23/04/2025 10:21

For the ruling.

SeasonalKitsch · 23/04/2025 10:34

Timefortulips · 23/04/2025 09:58

I think the real question is, how many people even know what was going on?

If you ask people "should a convincing post-operative transsexual be allowed to pop into the ladies' loo for a quick wee when they're bursting?", many people will have sympathy.

If you ask people "should a rapist who wears a blonde wig go to a women's prison?", they will be gobsmacked that this could ever have been on the table.

Yes, I thoroughly agree with this.

My social media is largely liberal left, and there have been some frothy posts against the judgement.

My real life is a mix of centre left/centre right, and I think the vast majority thinks “all the toilet stuff is over the top but I certainly wouldn’t want to see a trans woman in a female prison/DV shelter/in women’s sports”.

The government will have polled on this. Starmer would not have allowed that quote yesterday if he did not know that the majority of the public felt the same way.

Obviously the law can be changed by the government, the ruling is only an interpretation of the law, but I don’t see it happening.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/04/2025 10:43

Most people think the ruling is common sense and have now moved on to talking about the death of the Pope, and where to go for their summer holiday.

If you inhabit twiitter or socia media......what you will see, hear and be exposed to is largely what you already subscribe to.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/04/2025 10:44

Fully agree @Shortshriftandlethal