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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you think the majority are for or against the ruling?

143 replies

sadandpmsing · 22/04/2025 17:24

Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men.

Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

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SlowlyKillingThePlants · 22/04/2025 21:10

I am supportive of the ruling but I wouldn’t make it public on social media. I don’t need the backlash, either professionally or personally. I consider my job might be at risk if I made my opinion known.

I’ve thought about it, particularly when I have seen some friends post about how trans “rights” are being taken away but it’s it worth it. I would say it to their face though.

DrunkBogan · 22/04/2025 21:21

I would say the vast vast majority are for the ruling. All articles on Facebook or wherever else has most people in favour of biological women being allowed their single sex spaces. Yes I posted it on Facebook that I agreed and I give not a single fuck what anyone else thinks! If someone thinks a man can be a woman they can piss off out of my friends list anyway. Morons.

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 22/04/2025 21:36

I feel like it partly depends on which social media you use. Twitter has lots of voices in favour. Reddit, Facebook and Bluesky are up in arms.

I suppose working environment plays a part as well. I came in this morning to an email from the CEO expressing support for our trans colleagues.

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 22/04/2025 21:49

SlowlyKillingThePlants · 22/04/2025 21:10

I am supportive of the ruling but I wouldn’t make it public on social media. I don’t need the backlash, either professionally or personally. I consider my job might be at risk if I made my opinion known.

I’ve thought about it, particularly when I have seen some friends post about how trans “rights” are being taken away but it’s it worth it. I would say it to their face though.

Same. I've lost friends over my stance, and I don't have any assurance that I wouldn't lose my job if I was open about it at work. My employer is a Stonewall champion (still) and the third sector is very much about being kind.

HelenaWaiting · 22/04/2025 22:02

sadandpmsing · 22/04/2025 17:24

Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men.

Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

Depends which paper you read. The Guardian public comments were in full melt-down today. Very entertaining it was, too. I even opened a packet of biscuits.

Supersimkin7 · 22/04/2025 22:07

Hugely in support, obviously. Most people aren’t angry gay misogynists.

the support’s so overwhelming there’s a danger that trans rights might be wobbly, which would be a shame for genuine FTM/ MTFers. It’s going out of fashion as a cause too, and that won’t help.

Springtimefordaffs · 22/04/2025 22:14

I am in England, I did not experience first hand the nonsensical proposals that were put forward in Scotland on Self ID. It would have made it very difficult to fight against the bullying of some Trans sports people.

thedancingclown · 22/04/2025 22:15

Many are in support. The ones against it and complaining loudly - I cannot make up my mind whether they truly think they need these single sex spaces or they are just throwing their toys out of the pram as they have not got their way and the tide is turning about them.

Funny how they are quite happy to throw around threats of violence and death and insult anyone in their way but also claim they are at risk, vulnerable and cannot use male toilets.

spookehtooth · 22/04/2025 22:19

aylis · 22/04/2025 18:04

For.

However, I think some are only superficially in favour. There are more than a few who are just happy to see trans people annoyed rather than supporting women and the principle of protection against sex discrimination - they would just as quickly see the EA and all equality initiatives rolled back.

I think this is a hidden danger, that some men's ideas of biological reality are different to others. The most vocal male politicians on the subject maybe aren't womens best friends on other subjects 🤔

FlakyCritic · 22/04/2025 22:21

minnienono · 22/04/2025 17:28

Most people are not that bothered either way!

my DD is happy that it reinforces same sex sports rules particularly important for contact sports but thinks the obsession with toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc is over the top as she’s quite happy to share with men and does share with men at work.

there is quite a generational difference for starters with under 30’s really being so much more flexible

Wait... so your daughter is happy to use a changing room with men? She is happy to get undressed in front of a strange man and for that man to expose his penis to her? Is that what she is really saying?

Fourfurrymonsters · 22/04/2025 22:22

SlowlyKillingThePlants · 22/04/2025 21:10

I am supportive of the ruling but I wouldn’t make it public on social media. I don’t need the backlash, either professionally or personally. I consider my job might be at risk if I made my opinion known.

I’ve thought about it, particularly when I have seen some friends post about how trans “rights” are being taken away but it’s it worth it. I would say it to their face though.

Same for me - I’m in absolute agreement with the SC ruling (and given the insanity prevalent until now, very much relieved that common sense prevailed) but I don’t feel that I can post about it on SM as I work for a start-up full of young, pronoun-heavy “be kind” advocates who I well imagine will be outraged at the ruling, and I just don’t want or need the backlash that might well come my way if they were to see that I agree with the SC. I can’t quite believe that in the 21st century we’re (women) still afraid of speaking the truth and facts because….morons. The TRAs have a lot to answer for.

Notaflippinclue · 22/04/2025 22:22

Most people? Crikey did you poll 51% of the population?

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:24

Weirdly someone raised the subject with me at the weekend. It just came up in conversation - raised by him - about the supreme court. He had no idea about my views or situation.

His opinion was very firmly 'water is wet'.

He is left wing. Liberal. Open minded. You get the drift.

He was unaware of the history / why this has all happened. I am increasingly convinced that the public have been mislead and hoodwinked and the second they realise the truth/reality/scale of the madness, the majority go 'well thats bullshit'.

WearyAuldWumman · 22/04/2025 22:24

Judging by my local FB - for.

Someone posted that they've heard that a repetition of the Aberdeen toilet post is planned for Fife.

The comments were largely pro the ruling.

Bluegreencat · 22/04/2025 22:31

I have had some Facebook posts against (I have some very ‘kind’ friends). None for- although I have several who I know support it. So a mix. I’m relieved on a number of levels.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/04/2025 22:31

Starmer would NEVER have flipped if polling showed that the public agree that TWAW. Not for a moment. He'd have issued some twaddle thanking the SC alongside a weepy diatribe about the most vulnerable group evah now needing very special provision,
He didn't. He knows what people think.

As the bullying gets reined in (I see the police are now going after the VAWG poster carriers at that demo) more and more people will speak out and the extremists will lose their power to intimidate others.

Kindersurprising · 22/04/2025 22:32

Fourfurrymonsters · 22/04/2025 22:22

Same for me - I’m in absolute agreement with the SC ruling (and given the insanity prevalent until now, very much relieved that common sense prevailed) but I don’t feel that I can post about it on SM as I work for a start-up full of young, pronoun-heavy “be kind” advocates who I well imagine will be outraged at the ruling, and I just don’t want or need the backlash that might well come my way if they were to see that I agree with the SC. I can’t quite believe that in the 21st century we’re (women) still afraid of speaking the truth and facts because….morons. The TRAs have a lot to answer for.

You can say transwomen are men and that you don’t believe in gender identity etc you just can’t harass individuals or say anything that strays into hate/incitement type speech. Which none of us would do anyway 🙄 the right not to believe in gender identity, and now that TWAM, is protected by law. Your workplace can’t do anything about it, and if they did, you would win in a lawsuit.

Datun · 22/04/2025 22:32

Personally I believe if you want to know whether most people are pro or against, look at how Trump got elected.

Also, I have to say, why wouldn't you be pro? There's barely a woman on the planet who would choose to have mixed sex facilities to change in or go to the loo. If it was the preferred choice of most people, we'd already be having it.

Kindersurprising · 22/04/2025 22:33

Some of my social media is rooted in Bristol and there’s a surprising number of pro ruling comments for such a woke city.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:33

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 22/04/2025 21:36

I feel like it partly depends on which social media you use. Twitter has lots of voices in favour. Reddit, Facebook and Bluesky are up in arms.

I suppose working environment plays a part as well. I came in this morning to an email from the CEO expressing support for our trans colleagues.

Its now hitting my social circle who I don't believe have a lot to do with social media, particularly on this subject.

I deliberately don't add people I know and see regularly on social media so I'm not sharing stuff inadvertantly.

This is popping up in conversations with people I talk to in person. People who I know have no idea about my situation. And I'm not starting the conversation.

Its interesting how this is spreading and where interest is being shown.

Its a massive change from the past.

CheeseChamp · 22/04/2025 22:33

Some old ard left corbynite acquaintances have posted stuff on Facebook pretty angry, going to the london march etc, and just sort of withering patronising stuff. Makes me embarrassed about stuff I probably posted about brexit lol.
I don't want to lose the few friends I have, so continue to say nothing, and if asked outright I play dumb but ask questions that I know can't be answered or must be infuriating. Just so I don't feel like a total coward.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:34

minnienono · 22/04/2025 17:28

Most people are not that bothered either way!

my DD is happy that it reinforces same sex sports rules particularly important for contact sports but thinks the obsession with toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc is over the top as she’s quite happy to share with men and does share with men at work.

there is quite a generational difference for starters with under 30’s really being so much more flexible

Has your daughter ever had to share a hospital ward with any men? The sort that sit in bed wanking under the covers (if you are lucky). It’s one thing to to think you wouldn’t mind when it’s a hypothetical issue and something else when you are sick and just want to sleep but some creepy bloke in the bed opposite is keeping you awake

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 22/04/2025 22:39

Nobody I know irl has mentioned it at all. The only person I know personally on social media who's mentioned it is actually one of the main brilliant women in FWS. The only other stuff I've seen on social media (both for and against the ruling) has been via MN. I'm not on Twatter though.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:40

I have to say, this is all playing out, more or less the way I've been saying for a while even when many here really had their doubts and thought that the truth would not prevail. I've ALWAYS said you can't hide maintain a lie this big for long. ESPECIALLY where the fault lines on this subject fall.

I follow the mood and political trends. I told certain people how this was the next big political arc after Brexit in 2018... And here we are.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:45

Kiwi83 · 22/04/2025 17:44

Most women won't really see the issue until it directly affects them and that's the awful problem. By the time it starts affecting enough women's lives for them to take real umbridge and realise how bad this is for them, it'll be too late to stop the rot 🤷‍♀️

I think a lot of people think TW are females who present as men and vice versa. The language used is deliberately ambiguous and misleading. ‘True gender’ is a phrase I have seen in policy documents for example

a lot of people think that TW are fully transitioned with no male genitalia rather than the fact that most retain their genitalia

other people think that they have also been officially diagnosed as having gender dysphoria and have somehow been born in the wrong body even though that is no possible as we are our bodies

But I have spoken to women who work for in the NHS and for the police and it’s always in whispered tones as wrong speak has such serious consequences. Hopefully people will feel that transmen gender and DEI policies can be questioned now especially when the SC ruling is so clear.