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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you think the majority are for or against the ruling?

143 replies

sadandpmsing · 22/04/2025 17:24

Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men.

Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

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minnienono · 22/04/2025 17:28

Most people are not that bothered either way!

my DD is happy that it reinforces same sex sports rules particularly important for contact sports but thinks the obsession with toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc is over the top as she’s quite happy to share with men and does share with men at work.

there is quite a generational difference for starters with under 30’s really being so much more flexible

andtheworldrollson · 22/04/2025 17:29

I think most people would like better solutions for the toilet situation but would agree that transowmen are not women and don’t belong in certain places

Bejinxed · 22/04/2025 17:31

I think it is telling that all the politicians have now said they welcome the ruling and it provides much needed clarity etc etc. If they thought there was a significant majority against the ruling, they wouldn’t be saying that - they’d be talking about bringing forward legislation to change the position. This has been mentioned but not by anyone in a position to do anything about it.

Appalonia · 22/04/2025 17:31

The silent majority are For, I would say, seeing comments under articles etc. A lot of pp were saying how ridiculous it was that the SC even had to rule on something so basic as this!

Comedycook · 22/04/2025 17:32

Looking at my sm....there are a few people speaking out against it. No one speaking up for it. I think the majority are in favour of the ruling but too scared to say.

bubblerabbit · 22/04/2025 17:36

minnienono · 22/04/2025 17:28

Most people are not that bothered either way!

my DD is happy that it reinforces same sex sports rules particularly important for contact sports but thinks the obsession with toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc is over the top as she’s quite happy to share with men and does share with men at work.

there is quite a generational difference for starters with under 30’s really being so much more flexible

I don't think it's necessarily the current generation, it's youth. I can remember being at uni and knowing lots of girls who claimed to be totally fine with sharing toilets/showers with men. In our uni halls we had separate showers for men and women. One of the second year men who was living in halls took to using the women's shower room because it was 'better.' I complained to the warden (grew up with domestic violence and need single sex spaces to be single sex) and some of the other girls took to giving me hell when they discovered it was me. He was such a nice guy, what was the problem, I was a bitch etc.

A lot of relatively young women haven't had 'that' moment yet, when they're left terrified of a man in a confined space when they're undressed and vulnerable, or at least aren't yet ready to admit to themselves just how common dangerous men are. A lot of young women are also just beginning to develop sexual relationships with men and are desperate for men to like them. Pick me, as they say.

I have managed to get some women to see my POV when I talk about the things my father did in our bathroom, and how he controlled access to it, and what my mental health was like as a result.

Most people want SS spaces.

IReallyLoveItHere · 22/04/2025 17:36

I think the vast majority never thought there was an issue and imagine TW are little harmless castrated men trying not to draw attention to themselves so probably wouldn't care if they were using the same loos.

I think sports is the easiest sell - everyone knows its cheating..

StIgantius · 22/04/2025 17:37

I think the overwhelming majority are “for” but in a “thank goodness all that nonsense is over” way rather than a “shouting hallelujah” way, hence the lack of noise.

I think most people are live-and-let-live and support trans people’s rights to present themselves as they wish without being discriminated against or harassed, but don’t think that being trans means you magically change sex or are automatically entitled to be treated as the opposite sex in every situation.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 22/04/2025 17:38

I think the majority might know there has been something happened (in my experience, these days the "news" is seldom watched/ listend to or read), haven't got a clue what the Surpeme Court said or why, and actually don't give a toss because they have better things to do with their lives.

FWIIW, it isn't a matter of being for or against it - the Supreme Court has made a very limited clarification, so no matter which side you are on, this is not the end, or even the beginning of the end.

Superhansrantowindsor · 22/04/2025 17:39

Massively in support. Look at the reports on Facebook. Thousands of likes and just a few hundred angry faces. There is a very loud vocal group against this but the vast majority of people think it’s completely common sense.

Screamingabdabz · 22/04/2025 17:41

It’s definitely the silent majority who agree. Every thinking person knows you can’t change sex. Even the TRAs themselves. As someone famous said (who I can’t remember the name of and I paraphrase), ‘the mere fact that there is such vitriol by TRAs and their ‘allies’ to diminish the rights of women means they know exactly who are the real women are. It’s all a big misogynistic con.’

Kiwi83 · 22/04/2025 17:44

Most women won't really see the issue until it directly affects them and that's the awful problem. By the time it starts affecting enough women's lives for them to take real umbridge and realise how bad this is for them, it'll be too late to stop the rot 🤷‍♀️

HPFA · 22/04/2025 17:47

I find on Bluesky I get hostile replies but a fair amount of likes to anything vaguely GC, including about the judgement. So if you're getting that on Bluesky it probably suggests quite a lot of people do like it.

I suspect the majority opinion is something like the one usually revealed in polls - people don't want females to be cheated in sports but much less bothered about toilets.

Factsandfeelings · 22/04/2025 17:48

Almost everyone I’ve discreetly spoken to have admitted to being GC, they just don’t want to face admitting it and being work cancelled/outed/possibly abused.

The only people I know in person who are strongly TWAW are the trans women I know and their families.

OestreBunny · 22/04/2025 17:49

Scepticism about 'trans rights' has been steadily growing since YouGov first polled in 2018, once people started to realise that the vast majority of trans women have not had genital surgery.
If you are seeing lots of objections to the Supreme Court ruling it is because social media creates bubbles and because people are happy to show dissent in an anonymous poll, less so IRL

Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.
In fact, the only question on which women now take the permissive view on transgender rights is saying that people should be able to change their gender socially, although at 55% this still represents an eight point drop since the 2022 survey.

yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

Gandalfatemyhamster · 22/04/2025 17:52

I live in the most lefty, liberal bubble in a town beginning with B, outrage from all. No one apart from the very elderly seem to see sense prevailing. I’m genuinely scared to support the decision on SM. Or in my work place.

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 17:53

I think the focus on toilets is doing us no favours. And I think people are exasperated at all the toilet talk.

If the focus was on rape crisis centres, homeless shelters, prisons and women's sport, with some discussion of how there have been real life issues in those areas, a lot more people would be vocally supportive.

illinivich · 22/04/2025 17:55

TRA always used the fact that "Trans issues" wasnt in the top three political concerns for most people to push the idea most people were against terfs.

I think it'll be obvious soon that most people were simply not in favour of men in womens spaces.

But its not a popularity contest, its a safeguarding one, and thats why men in womens spaces was never going to be the final outcome.

IDontHateRainbows · 22/04/2025 17:57

I think a lot of people will be like 'ah, we don't have to pretend anymore!'( that men can be women).
Most people do whatever the 'done thing' is

The done thing is changing now

Maaate · 22/04/2025 17:57

Anecdata I know but there's a few people in my circle of acquaintances who are now coming out with GC comments after this ruling.

RNApolymerase · 22/04/2025 17:57

I have on my Facebook one friend posting in favour, she got several likes and positive comments on her post.
I have one friend posting against, no replies last I looked.
Local news site (again Facebook) got mostly in favour comments.
My two university offspring and their friends will say they are very much against - how much they mean that or how much they just feel they ought to agree with all their friends who knows.

illinivich · 22/04/2025 18:01

I think the focus on toilets is doing us no favours. And I think people are exasperated at all the toilet talk.

I don't know if thats true.

We can't have trans day of visibility and not see real trans people. Not the imagined, living as women secretly for thirty years ones but the ones who are shouting abuse on demos and do not act, look or sound like women.

Most people do no go near rape crisis centres or prisons, but do know their teenage daughters go into public toilets and changing rooms.

We cant say why, but no one ones these men hanging around teenage girls.

aylis · 22/04/2025 18:04

For.

However, I think some are only superficially in favour. There are more than a few who are just happy to see trans people annoyed rather than supporting women and the principle of protection against sex discrimination - they would just as quickly see the EA and all equality initiatives rolled back.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/04/2025 18:05

Are most people in support of biological reality? Of course

the problem has always been that the vast majority of the public have no idea how batshit things have got thanks to all the MSM, government, nhs etc being stonewalled to the hilt

now the public are far more aware and therefore far more “wtf????”

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 18:08

illinivich · 22/04/2025 18:01

I think the focus on toilets is doing us no favours. And I think people are exasperated at all the toilet talk.

I don't know if thats true.

We can't have trans day of visibility and not see real trans people. Not the imagined, living as women secretly for thirty years ones but the ones who are shouting abuse on demos and do not act, look or sound like women.

Most people do no go near rape crisis centres or prisons, but do know their teenage daughters go into public toilets and changing rooms.

We cant say why, but no one ones these men hanging around teenage girls.

Edited

Well yeah, you can pretty instantly spot who the men are in this video 😬😬😬https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1913976069457162253

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1913976069457162253