Do you think the majority are for or against the ruling?

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Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men.

Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

IME it's always been like this but most of these people kept their opinions to themselves because it wasn't relevant to them.

I've never met anyone irl that thought tw were women or tm were men. Not even my teenage/young adult children, despite having non binary friends.

I really do think the whole trans ally thing has been massively exagerated by a very noisy minority.

Thank goodness common sense has prevailed.

Most people I think, in so far as they are aware, will agree that of course Trans Women are not Women. Younger ones might not mind mixed sex provision.
Most of us still can't post anything on line to say that we agree with the Supreme Court ruling.

Very much agree. I've been going looking for a variety of news reports and looking at the reactions. Some are predictable. Times, Telegraph etc are heavily in favour but even if you look at more widely viewed media: BBC, channel 4, Sky News, you'll see maybe 1000 likes and a 1000 hearts to a few hundred sad and angry faces. Even the Guardian is the same.
I don't think this is a niche issue at all. I think it was until it became one that absolutely exploded into public consciousness. People don't like knowing they might risk their jobs just for knowing there's a difference between male and female, especially when most people have been very 'be kind' and willing to accept trans identities in good faith. I think there's a lot of irritation with the lack of tolerance from the trans movement and that has reached critical mass.
The articles I've seen where the reaction is more even are those where it's a US-based news source and then it's far from a majority against women's rights.
I imagine there is all sorts of polling going on at the moment though so we'll get more robust figures.

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Well done for speaking up.

The vast, VAST majority are for the ruling. Which is why labour are pretending to go along with it. They know which way the wind is blowing.

I think Facebook has changed in recent years in that people tend not to share anything 'political' unless absolutely convinced there'll be majority agreement.
I've had a few friends share flags and not many comments or likes either way, then three friends shared how pleased they were (one I'd assumed would be twaw). . I know a number of women on there are GC and they have not shared this time.

For me, I wanted to wait until it was less heated before posting anything. Give people chance to feel their frustration and then hopefully gain a bit more perspective. Honestly though, I'm sick of memes and long posts and prefer to have normal face to face conversation if it comes up.

Language matters and the comments about being set back 20 years etc are all compelling if you only look on the surface.

It will be a sad thing for women if people are sufficiently bored and fed up with toilet conversations to basically throw them as a bone to the activists to stop them moaning.

Women have already been excluded, will go on being excluded, there are groups of women who cannot go into a space and undress or cope with the confined area where a man is busy meeting his own needs in whatever way that might be. But those women don't scream, pee everywhere, vandalise stuff, threaten to hurt themselves and everyone else, and don't have well paid powerful people who care about them and pander to them, so go unseen.

In terms of women's rights and equalities, yes, toilets matter. Yes, men will behave very badly to try and get their own way. It's not a reason to surrender equality for women who aren't you or your mates.

Which is why labour are pretending to go along with it. They know which way the wind is blowing.

And with a set of Local Govt elections coming up in a couple of week's time, they know that if they don't go along with it, Reform will certainly be onto it.

Me cynical? Of course not.

I think most people are completely clear that there are only 2 sexes apart from a very very small number of people born with DSD this is a small fraction of 1%

Most people do care about TW in female prisons , they do not want to see men collecting medals at sports events for women, they certainly do not want men in spaces for rape victims or victims of male domestic violence. They do not want people criminal history or malpractice history wiped from records because of a GRC when no one else can get these records removed

most people are in favour of people dressing how they like and having relationships with whom they like and not conforming to stereotypes so long as no harm abuse or coercion, most people understand not confirming to a gender typical presentation is not the same as actually saying you are biologically a different sex, nor is having a different sexual orientation or indeed none the same as changing biological sex.

For accuracy in medical diagnoses biological sex accuracy is important

at our nearest swimmng pool it is mixed changing but it is all cubicles with locks and ceilings so you can't jump up or stand on bench and look over or under, that I'm happy with mixed changing with locking cubicles fine mixed changing with curtains or communal not fine

altogether most see it as commonsense and can't believe we wasted so much money on stating the absolute obvious

Just to add: plenty of women pull the 'lovely friend' TW out (you wouldn't mind peeing with them/Not My Nigel). But they come with Karen White, Isla Bryson, Katie Dolotowski et al, or my local neighbour who stomps down the middle of the road in his mini skirt, built like a barn, off his head with whatever substance, screaming obscenities at anyone who annoys him. I would run a mile rather than be in an enclosed space with him. And his reaction if I walked in, spotted him and then tried to turn and flee is scary to think about.

And it's all academic now anyway. Sex based, end of. Unless the space is labelled unisex.

The men I know think the debate is tedious and unnecessary. My teen ds and his mates just roll their eyes and change the subject.

Most women I know are pleased with the decision because the issue of safe spaces is important to most women.

I don't know anyone who is unhappy with the decision.

The court decision has drawn a line under it, decision made, now we can get back to facts and reality.

I'm hoping the judgment will be reflected in more accurate reporting. People who see a woman did x will often not look beyond the headline. If transwomen continue to offend at the rate they are ( obviously best case scenario is they don't), people will gradually catch on when accurate sex based language is used.

In addition I think most people would be in favour of accurate data being kept regarding crime. Keeping accurate data is far less emotive than people imagining birth certificates being checked at the toilet door. People will understand that accurate data helps with decision making, targeting services etc.

Then there's the placards, the pissing, the defacing of statues etc. That's going to sleep into people's consciousness until they realise that yes, not all transwomen but certainly enough that we need to be more careful when it comes to the safeguarding of women.

The people pissing and damaging statues are a vocal tiny tiny minority. The overwhelming majority are in favour but aren't given to protesting loudly. If you look at all comments on any articles that allow comments you will see the force of opinion. There is no political will to reopen this, particularly as the majority opposition to GI is now organised and alert. Last time they snuck in the 2004 Gender Recognition Act and then misrepresented the law. It won't be allowed to happen again without a fight and full publicity.

From the point of view of someone who's opinion changed at a snails pace I know that it's the drip drip drip over time, combined with curiosity that changed my mind. I look at some of the opinion columns on it now, though beautifully written and usually pretty humorous too, I'm not sure it would have got past my defence systems way back when and much of it would be beyond my understanding of the debate.

I’ve seen a lot more people speak out against gender identity in the past week and the general consensus seems to be it’s a victory for common sense. The bottom line, irrespective of all the consequences, is that men cannot be women (and vice versa) and seeing the court rule in favour of reality rather than feelings has been a tonic in 2025.

The people pissing and damaging statues are a vocal tiny tiny minority

I agree but it's this minority of people who will pique the curiosity of the kind but haven't really thought about it group.

Yes. They are 100% the public face, and there's a total lack of any groups or agencies coming forward to condemn it and say 'not in our name'.

Self id is the sticking point.Normal people expect some gatekeeping and boundaries but the arrogance of the transactivists has greatly diminished whatever public sympathy there was. The politicians are beginning to realise public sentiment has shifted and the political shift is also starting to form, even on the left. The Cass review and now the SC ruling have an impact that cannot be denied or wished away as incipient fascism.

I think most are pro in the sense that they agree - but probably don’t care all that much/ think it’s ridiculous that it had to go to court.

I am shocked that some friends will still not agree with the idea that this was an issue, though a couple of gay men have acknowledged that it needed to be clear…although think it will make a difference to their rights somehow. Only a few prepared to celebrate with us. But the way that certain media have only interviewed to poor sad men and not any of the rest of us shows up the absolute misogyny. Underneath it all there is relief I think.

I think it has been slowly gathering pace but Isla Bryson really put into sharp focus what it actually means in reality. If we just take the toilet issue which is tiny tiny part of it, no woman would want to share with him. Also no decent man would want their female relative to share a toilet with him.

It will be interesting to see where the teenagers are going with this as my one says that the trans at their school are all the freaks and weirdos so are avoided. if this is the case, we may see a significant drop in the numbers of young, vulnerable people transitioning.

I think the vast majority never had any doubt about what a woman is and are probably barely aware of the SC ruling, but would think 'Well, duh! Of course!' if they were asked.

I expect there are a lot of people who cannot be bothered. People who don't engage in competitive sport, or use changing rooms, and a lot of people avoid public toilets if they can. Or have daughters or mothers who do.

Agreed, I think that most people just think it's common sense at last, if they think about it at all. I think a minority are glad about the legal clarification because, despite all the lamenting and hyperbole, that is what it is.

Everyone I know is speaking out and celebrating who are you speaking to?