Why haven’t the TRAs with violent signs been arrested?

[CrazyOldMe]

At yesterday’s protests, there were several signs calling for violence towards “TERFs” and the like.

Have these people been arrested, do we know?

If not, why not? The likes of Lucy Connolly got more than two years in prison for a tweet advocating for violence. We have also seen several arrests over signs at the Palestine/ Israel marches.

This.

If it was placards calling for ANY OTHER vulnerable group to be burned, Starmer would show up to prosecute them himself the next day.

I still can’t get over the woman who made a horrible, awful twitter post about immigrants that was the same level as bad being jailed for 35 months. None of this lot will even get 35 days.

The Supreme Court decision raised the profile of the issue massively. Splashed it across all the papers, and on all the radio stations.

People now know what happened, even if they don't know the ins and outs.

Watching this violent, nasty, vitriol emerge is going to fuck off quite a few people, who didn't have an opinion before.

There's going to be, 'well no wonder women don't want them in their spaces, nasty, violent thugs.'

The myth of the frail, oppressed, fragile transsexual, keeping his head down, is dispelled forever.

There's a reason why operation let them speak has been so popular.

edited to add, that no of course, Starmer won't say anything. Which is why Reform will get in at the next election

@CrazyOldMe We have also seen several arrests over signs at the Palestine/ Israel marches.

But not enough !

I wonder what would happen if a "Decapitate TRAs" sign was displayed at a LWS event?

There is one particular thing that strikes me about the trans community (not the TRA)

Years ago when ISIS was all over the media and radical islamists were marching in London and hate preachers like Ajam Choudry and Abu Hamza were around- many people in the Muslim community stood up and said 'they don't represent us, not in our name etc'

Why haven't transgender people stood up and said the same out the TRA calling for violence and carrying out violent attacks against women?
They don't represent us. Not in our name and so on.
Apart from a handful, I haven't seen trans speaking out. If they have, I've missed it.

My theory is that they're biased by being Stonewall champions and platforming so many trans extremists. This tribunal was quite "enlightening" about how many trans extremists have been paid by the Met to spout their anti women misogyny and embed anti women attitudes in the Met.
Their senior diversity staff seemed either clueless or openly colluding with these anti women attitudes and not even slightly aware of the dangers of the police being politically biased against women at all.

When the police take instructions from trans extremist individuals and lobby groups, of course they'll see women speaking about women's rights as the enemy or justifiable targets:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5292186-m-newman-v-met-police-employment-tribunal?flipped=1&page=1

I have seen a reddit thread saying how badly thought through the 'pissed off trannies' protest was.

But it wasn't remorse, it was dismay at poor tactics.

Edited to add - this is the name the group itself used. I have never and never would use that word as it's a slur.

I thought they were going to do a mass wee-in? Did their mums not let them out?

Thanks 👍

The TRA have been violent for years though and I haven't seen any on reddit calling them out previously. If some have done since the SC ruling or start to now, that doesn't excuse or explain why they haven't in all these past years the TRA have been around.
How many stood up when Posie Parker almost got murdered in New Zealand?

"Protect us by law or I'll identify as a fucking problem."

Remind me why any sane woman would want such a man in a changing room with her?

With that, and Sarah Everard, no wonder women don't trust the police.

I don't think a tweet shared with hundreds of thousands of people, encouraging the burning down of hotels full of people - something that was actually attempted in real life- in a context full of latent violence, is quite the same thing as a placard at a demo.

I'll be interested to see how the police deal with the death threats against specific campaigners - I've just seen a headline about it, I don't know who has received the threats, I'll follow the story with great interest.

Good question. There appear to be hardly any politically motivated trans people who aren't prepared to shit on women to one degree or another.

Any news on whether there’s been any arrests? I’ll be treating myself to a large glass of of vino when I hear about the first arrest.

to any TRAs lurking…. Waaaa waaaa waaa 😂

There was worse than just signs going on:

Thread:;

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5319245-attacks-on-women-in-sheffield-by-tas-on-saturday

Images of hanged 'terfs' have been at protests for years. As are threats to piss on us, punch us etc. Even more extreme and graphic threats have circled on twitter for just as long.
I'm only aware of the police intervening once and that was Sarah Jane Baker, originally convicted for torture, who called for women to be punched in the face. Otherwise, these types of threats have been ignored by police for a very, very long time.
I don't think it's a conspiracy to be deeply cynical.
I hope the political tide has turned and you are right that police were just trying not to escalate the situation and will properly investigate and act now. Sadly, I'll believe it when I see it. They've ignored threats up to now. If police actually start investigating, it'll be a huge and positive change.

Not so far.

Only this historical one

https://care.org.uk/news/2023/07/trans-activist-arrested-for-inciting-violence

They very grudgingly intervened when a lot of pressure was put on them on social media.

A placard calling for the murder of a named individual?

There were several calling for people to 'kill JKR'.

That's a specific, personal threat.

i personally think these threats should be treated equally harshly. Those protests are often more like riots where the police can’t effectively contain these men.

I find this really worrying. It feels like the same dynamic that happens when a woman is about to leave an abusive relationship, which is always the most dangerous time, as they are losing control and they feel like they have nothing to lose. TRAs, have been told for years How vulnerable they are, and this ruling by the SC has just fuelled their sense of victimhood
( despite it just clarifying what the law actually always was ). I think both high profile women and things like LWS events need to be really careful about their safety right now, as these pp feel totally justified in enacting violent revenge.

Another thing, I remember pp like Aja being vilified as she attended a demonstration about 2 Tier policing, but the difference between the Palestine demonstrations, the riots that happened after the murder of those little girls and these hateful, violent signs calling for the murder of women, couldn't be more stark. Nothing will happen, because it never does.

But statues must be protected because they matter more than women...

I would be very happy with anyone who makes a death threat being prosecuted. People might learn that they can’t threaten to kill people they disagree with then, on all sides.

This is a very stark contrast. What do the Met have to gain from arresting these people? Maybe it will go some way to regaining the trust of women?
But clearly they couldn't care less about that.

Agree. They feel like women do they? Well, why did they not stand by women, when they were being threatened with murder and hounded out of jobs by people acting in their name?