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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have you ever mistaken a woman for a man?

136 replies

Moltenpink · 18/04/2025 21:40

I’m seeing a lot on Twitter & TikTok about how the new ruling means that women will be challenged in bathrooms if they present as masculine.

I just don’t see it happening. I know women of all shapes, sizes, heights, muscle tone, haircuts. I know butch lesbians and women who have lost all their hair from chemo. I never see them as male in appearance.

Personally, I’m 6ft tall, broad shouldered, I don’t wear make up or dresses but I don’t feel like anyone would mistake me for a man.

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Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 21:43

I guess the question is, how would you know when you hadn't identified a trans woman as a man ?

Moltenpink · 18/04/2025 21:46

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 21:43

I guess the question is, how would you know when you hadn't identified a trans woman as a man ?

I suppose my point is, I have never met a woman who I would consider to look ambiguous unless they have intended to be so (one non binary person that I met).

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TheDefiant · 18/04/2025 21:49

I work for a charity and one of my female trustees has been mistaken for a man (in female toilets incidentally). I don’t know how anyone could ever make that mistake. She doesn’t look anything like a man.

when I was young (say 18-22ish) and had short hair and was in my military uniform I was frequently mistaken for a man.

I was incredibly slim with no boobs back then.

UkuleleRose · 18/04/2025 21:49

I have, twice. One got all bent out of shape when I politely offered her my seat on a bus. The other thought it was hilarious and we ended up chatting. [shrugging] Life goes on.

RhinestoneCowgirl · 18/04/2025 21:53

When I was a young adult and had short hair I sometimes got called 'sonny' by bus drivers and the like, they would usually quickly realise their mistake. I'm tall for a woman.

TheNightingalesStarling · 18/04/2025 21:54

I've been mistaken for a man when in army uniform in my younger years.
I look nothing like a man (long hair but worn up and reasonable sized bosom even in uniform!)

DH has been chatted up by men when wearing a dress.... while one of his female friends was presumed to be the guy. (He was on a hen party)

GoldPoster · 18/04/2025 21:55

I’ve been called sir quite a few times. I’m not deliberately trying to appear male but have short hair, no makeup and look very like my father. It doesn’t bother me and usually let it pass.

Moltenpink · 18/04/2025 21:55

I do remember being mistaken for a boy when I was a young child, come to think of it. All children tend to look quite unisex for a while though

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Stepfordian · 18/04/2025 21:56

No, I once mistook a five year old
boy with long blonde hair and a fringe in a pink t-shirt and denim shorts for a girl, until he started speaking and I twigged immediately.

Theunamedcat · 18/04/2025 21:57

No but my sister was accused of being a boy when she was at school she didn't develop and was tall and slim

Pyjamatimenow · 18/04/2025 21:58

Not to my knowledge. I like to think my radar for identifying men and women is quite well tuned.

PermanentTemporary · 18/04/2025 21:58

Presumably I don't know if I did.

Dp was really surprised when we had dinner with some friends with 2 adult kids, he knew one had transitioned but thought the one he met was a male who'd transitioned to female, when it was the other way round. Really surprised me tbh but I accepted that I've known this person all their lives and continue to see them through that prism.

JellySaurus · 18/04/2025 21:59

I'm tall and broad, usually in jeans etc, often wear men's shoes (broad feet) and a puffa bomber jacket. When I had short hair I was often addressed as 'Sir' from behind, and, yes, I was challenged in the women's toilets.

But the moment I turned around or spoke, it became immediately obvious to the other person that I was female.

No harm done.

LoremIpsumCici · 18/04/2025 22:00

I’ve been mistaken for a boy or man at least a half dozen times in my life.
I am naturally quite androgynous featured.

nocoolnamesleft · 18/04/2025 22:01

I once mistook a trans man for a man, for about a second.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 22:05

A video popped up on socials the other called something less rock dude or girl. Brief video clips of the back of someone with long hair wearing a leather jacket. There were several different clips of different people - I correctly sexed them all from a few seconds of looking at their back/ back of their head in a leather jacket (biker style so not exactly form fitting). I don't class myself as particularly observant or blessed with special powers, it's just that men and women are physically different!

Winederlust · 18/04/2025 22:07

I remember being mistaken for a man when I had short hair...only by children though!

I think it just highlights the unfortunate issue that many people still have a 'traditional gender norms' view of femininity and masculinity. Just as society was finally starting to overcome this, the onslaught of trans ideology has set us right back to square one.

LoremIpsumCici · 18/04/2025 22:07

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 22:05

A video popped up on socials the other called something less rock dude or girl. Brief video clips of the back of someone with long hair wearing a leather jacket. There were several different clips of different people - I correctly sexed them all from a few seconds of looking at their back/ back of their head in a leather jacket (biker style so not exactly form fitting). I don't class myself as particularly observant or blessed with special powers, it's just that men and women are physically different!

Or perhaps it is just that 50/50 chance is really good odds.

Winederlust · 18/04/2025 22:10

Do I think it's possible to make a mistake at first glance/behind/from a distance/in a photo? Of course.
Do I think any mistake would be immediately identified and corrected within 60 secs of actually interacting with that person? 100%.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 22:11

LoremIpsumCici · 18/04/2025 22:07

Or perhaps it is just that 50/50 chance is really good odds.

If I was guessing yes it would be possible to get a 50:50 call right several times in a row, but it wasn't a guess - I could tell.

Moltenpink · 18/04/2025 22:11

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 22:05

A video popped up on socials the other called something less rock dude or girl. Brief video clips of the back of someone with long hair wearing a leather jacket. There were several different clips of different people - I correctly sexed them all from a few seconds of looking at their back/ back of their head in a leather jacket (biker style so not exactly form fitting). I don't class myself as particularly observant or blessed with special powers, it's just that men and women are physically different!

This is how I feel. At a glance, short hair and a uniform might be mistaken, but generally it’s pretty obvious at a closer look.

I’m not including trans people in this, I have seen lots who pass very well but that is after a lot of work on their part.

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nyancatdays · 18/04/2025 22:12

In nearly half a century of using the women’s toilets, I’ve never seen a single woman challenged in the loos for being a man. I feel pretty sure that if it happened frequently, I might have had some idea about it (and I spent a couple of decades as a lesbian - and though I’m not particularly butch, I never heard of any of my friends who were very butch being mistaken for a man in the loo!)

I only heard about this idea in the last few years from students and teenagers, and from
Tumblr. I think it’s a bit of Americanised discourse that has started floating around here along with the gender stuff.

I have a private theory that it seems plausible to young people who (a) don’t really have any idea or think about the fact that for large parts of the twentieth century, most women wore their hair short and many did not wear makeup or particularly “gendered” clothes, so they have some kind of idea that it is terribly “gender non conforming” to have short hair and not wear all the contouring/long swishy hair/overdone nails stuff they associate with social media-influenced “femininity”. They are too deep in the present moment to realise that many/most women went about all of the 70s, 80s and 90s in jeans or slacks and an anorak and a short haircut and still weren’t assumed to be either men or somehow making a radical statement about “gender”. They simply don’t understand that for most of the postwar period, mostly only very young women had long hair, and married or older women generally uniformly had short hair styles.

And (b) added to that, it doesn’t occur to the same young people to look at their grannies (or any older women), and notice that still most women older than about 60 have short hair and wear trousers. My mum is 72 and sings in a big community choir for older women, and last time they performed out of about 300 women only a handful were wearing a skirt or dress - they almost exclusively wear tops and trousers and have short hairstyles! I’m currently on a walking holiday in the West Country, and nearly all men and women are dressed completely the same in sportswear and hiking gear and identical fleeces and anoraks (can still easily tell who the women are though…)

The “women who are gender non conforming might get CHALLENGED in the loos” Tumblr/Twitter crowd just seem not to actually notice older women, or society around them in practice; nor take a look at what anyone older than about 25 is wearing to realise that very few women over that age are what you’d call particularly “gender confirming” anyway.

So, anyway. Long rant, sorry, but the short version is that I think it’s US-influenced internet scaremongering, by people who don’t seem to take the trouble to actually look around themselves on a daily basis.

TempestTost · 18/04/2025 22:18

N, I don't think I ever have. There have been one or two occasions where I wasn't sure but as soon as the woman spoke there was no confusion.

I, like a pp, was once briefly mistaken as a man when I was in military uniform, including camouflage make-up, but in that case the person realized his mistake as soon as I spoke.

ThePenguinIsDrunk · 18/04/2025 22:19

No but have had people think I was a man/boy a few times, the thing is as soon as I turned around and/or spoke they realised immediately that I was female. The first glance taking in short hair and trousers never stands up to a closer look or hearing the voice.