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A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING

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MarieDeGournay · 18/04/2025 16:44

Don't all rush at once!🙄

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Appalonia · 18/04/2025 22:15

Supporterofwomensrights · 18/04/2025 20:11

I'm really hoping the Sandie Peggie trial will become a Post Office scandal style hit TV show.

The first thing that came to mind on Weds was seeing Dr Upton say, in a COURT OF LAW that ' biological sex is a nebulous dog whistle ' , and I just went, hahahahaHA!

AnotherVice · 18/04/2025 23:40

Well I received this from my NHS trust 🙄

A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING
Annascaul · 18/04/2025 23:41

AnotherVice · 18/04/2025 23:40

Well I received this from my NHS trust 🙄

Gobshites.

Supporterofwomensrights · 18/04/2025 23:49

They are going to act within 'their values'. No mention of obeying the law...

I've had similar from my employer.

murasaki · 18/04/2025 23:51

AnotherVice · 18/04/2025 23:40

Well I received this from my NHS trust 🙄

The temptation to email the HR person and say that as a woman you're concerned and worried that they might not adhere to what the SC said and therefore feel unsafe must be strong.

But you'll probably get hauled over the coals for piss taking.

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 00:13

It's not over, the trans activists are still claiming they need clarification as if their vile misogyny has been motivated by confusion.

And the allies will be angry that they’ve been shown to have nailed their colours (or trousers, to quote Sir Humphrey Appleby) to the wrong mast and they’ll want someone to blame. It won’t be themselves (because: good and righteous), or The Trans Community (because: vulnerable and oppressed) or even Stonewall et al (because: untouchable deity).

So they’ll blame the women who spoke up and made things awkward.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 00:17

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 00:13

It's not over, the trans activists are still claiming they need clarification as if their vile misogyny has been motivated by confusion.

And the allies will be angry that they’ve been shown to have nailed their colours (or trousers, to quote Sir Humphrey Appleby) to the wrong mast and they’ll want someone to blame. It won’t be themselves (because: good and righteous), or The Trans Community (because: vulnerable and oppressed) or even Stonewall et al (because: untouchable deity).

So they’ll blame the women who spoke up and made things awkward.

Well they can try - but we can all remind them that they need to take that up with Stonewall who took all the public money, told everyone lies and seem to have disappeared since the SC judgement...

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 00:30

Stonewall who seem to have disappeared since the SC judgement...

And didn’t even apply to intervene in the Supreme Court hearing in the first place. You’d think this would be so their thing and yet…crickets.

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 00:56

murasaki · 18/04/2025 23:51

The temptation to email the HR person and say that as a woman you're concerned and worried that they might not adhere to what the SC said and therefore feel unsafe must be strong.

But you'll probably get hauled over the coals for piss taking.

Uh oh, I've gone and done it!

ChristinaXYZ · 19/04/2025 00:56

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The UKSC does not go out to look for people to contribute. Interested parties have to apply and I gather no trans organisations did.

https://x.com/peter_daly/status/1913250936178303468

Key tweets from thread: "Any potential intervener needed to establish that their utility to the Court was more than just their own personal interest. They needed to show that they represented a body of people affected by the subject of the case.
Peter Daly
@peter_daly
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For our intervention, three separate organisations, including a registered charity (LGB Alliance), applied jointly to make a single submission. Pro trans organisations could have done similarly, but didn’t.
Peter Daly
@peter_daly
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8h
There is no shortage of pro trans organisations and charities keen to shape law and policy. 72 orgs wrote to the Scottish Government about it’s Gender Recognition Reform Bill. Any of them could have applied to intervene."

https://x.com/peter_daly/status/1913250936178303468

murasaki · 19/04/2025 00:58

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 00:56

Uh oh, I've gone and done it!

Good luck! Their response will be interesting. They have a duty of care to all staff, after all and need to figure out how to balance that.

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 01:01

PersephoneSmith · 18/04/2025 19:21

Of course they sent me a lot of abusive messages on Facebook and WhatsApp before reporting me to my HR department. (Of course they did!)
I’ve blocked. Much as I’d like to unblock and 🖕I won’t. I do believe that we all still have to make sure that trans identifying people are not discriminated against, bullied or harassed for being trans. We need to be better than the TRAs

My god, so you’ve been abused?!

id start a complaint about them!

DiaAssolellat · 19/04/2025 07:17

@AnotherVice My jaw hit the floor. How dare they? Brava for sending them a complaint.

Sausagenbacon · 19/04/2025 07:49

This has just been tweeted by the Women's Institute Declaration.

We have written to the NFWI Chair of Trustees Jeryl Stone stating we want: A vote to either admit men or keep them out, or Immediate revocation of membership of all TIMs an the reinstatement of the WI as a single sex organisation (we prefer this option).
The end of the relationship with the current legal firm who have given wrong advice. Staff training on the Equality Act. Scrapping of the EDI Policy. Removal of organisations such as Stonewall from the member only website. The EDI training available to members stop.
The WomensInstitute also needs to review its member handbook, WI advisor training and stop promoting transgender ideology.

We don't care if the staff don't like it, they work for the members not to change a beloved organisation for their own nefarious aims.

Swashbuckled · 19/04/2025 08:15

Excellent! Thank you for posting this 😊

Xenia · 19/04/2025 08:38

The Equality Act 2010 clearly always meant woman as biological women because it has its other categories of discrimination such as sexual orientation and gender. It was the trans lobby trying to steal the clothes as it were of real women that was always the issue. None of us have ever wanted to be unkind to trans people. It has simply been about protecting woman as woman, the biological person who gives birth etc.
The Supreme Court's own summary of the case makes it all clear including -

"As a matter of ordinary language, the provisions relating to sex discrimination can only be interpreted as referring to biological sex [168]-[172]. For example, the provisions relating to pregnancy and maternity (sections 13(6), 17 and 18 of the EA) are based on the fact of pregnancy and giving birth to a child. As a matter of biology, only biological women can become pregnant. Therefore, these provisions are unworkable unless “man” and “woman” have a biological meaning [177]-[188].

Interpreting “sex” as certificated sex would cut across the definitions of “man” and “woman” and thus the protected characteristic of sex in an incoherent way [172]. It is important that the EA 2010 is interpreted in a clear and consistent way in order that groups which share a protected characteristic can be identified by those that the EA 2010 imposes obligations on so that they can perform those obligations in a practical way [151]-[154"

Xenia · 19/04/2025 08:39

It is a very good decision.

DiaAssolellat · 19/04/2025 08:39

This is a clear , interesting article by someone everyone has heard of, which I can forward to people who get the overall argument but haven’t been following closely. Thank you for linking to it 🙏

dunBle · 19/04/2025 08:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:50

Hurrah!

Now the Supreme Court has confirmed that even having a gender recognition certificate doesn't make a man a woman.

I don't think that's right. The Supreme Court has confirmed that having a GRC doesn't make a man a woman for the purposes of the Equality Act, but that doesn't necessarily mean that extends across other laws, due to the wording of the GRA.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/04/2025 08:43

dunBle · 19/04/2025 08:40

I don't think that's right. The Supreme Court has confirmed that having a GRC doesn't make a man a woman for the purposes of the Equality Act, but that doesn't necessarily mean that extends across other laws, due to the wording of the GRA.

But discriminating between men and women is unlawful, as a general rule.

The Equality Act contains the exceptions to that rule.

Can you think of any situation where we actually treat men and women differently, which isn't affected by this ruling?

lcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2025 11:00

I know this isn't the subject of this thread but I need to put this down somewhere. I want a public inquiry. I want to know why we travelled so far down this stupid path. I want to know why women, gay people and transpeople were failed so badly. I want to know why it took a bunch of extraordinary ordinary women and a crowdfund to spike the wheels of it. I want to know how it came so close to this nonsense becoming the law of the land as it has in other countries.

Apologies for rant and derail.

Needspaceforlego · 19/04/2025 11:06

@lcakethereforeIam while I get your thinking, is that not just throwing good money after bad?

The whole of the Western world has been floating trans ideology. And we know SNP are all about trying to "out do" or be different to England. Even all through covid and "being safe" was all flag waving nonsense with no science behind it

GCAcademic · 19/04/2025 11:07

lcakethereforeIam · 19/04/2025 11:00

I know this isn't the subject of this thread but I need to put this down somewhere. I want a public inquiry. I want to know why we travelled so far down this stupid path. I want to know why women, gay people and transpeople were failed so badly. I want to know why it took a bunch of extraordinary ordinary women and a crowdfund to spike the wheels of it. I want to know how it came so close to this nonsense becoming the law of the land as it has in other countries.

Apologies for rant and derail.

That's a really good point. I totally agree.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/04/2025 11:12

Supporterofwomensrights · 18/04/2025 23:49

They are going to act within 'their values'. No mention of obeying the law...

I've had similar from my employer.

Similar from mine on our Sharepoint. Not posting it as outing.