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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING

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MarieDeGournay · 18/04/2025 16:44

Don't all rush at once!🙄

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KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:22

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 21:00

For fuck sake! Any sane person reading this will surely get why the Supreme Court judgement was so vital. Talk about making women second class citizens! Let's hope this policy will be ripped up very soon.

EVERY SINGLE NHS POLICY READS LIKE THIS!!

In case you missed that: Every single one.
There are no protected single sex spaces anywhere in the NHS at all. Anywhere.

If you want to help keep the receipts please come and help us on the NHS Policy Audit thread. Currently on an Easter pause but will be auditing the Midlands starting next week

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 21:27

Sheroic work you are doing - please message me if I can help in any way. I feel I have found this thread when 99% of the work is done, though.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:28

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 21:03

@Silversixpenny A couple of incidents I have attended:
First was actually a trans man with a very obvious female stature, shape, voice. Breasts. During the assessment they 'disclosed' their trans status, something along the lines of 'I was actually born female'. My face evidently gave me away and they immediately followed it with 'don't you think I pass as a man?' Fortunately my crew mate jumped in for me as I wasn't prepared to lie but also didn't want to risk my job.
Secondly, I went to a trans woman, in every way very clearly male. Total fetishist based on the lingerie and blow up dolls in the flat. Absolutely delighted in getting his 'titties' 🤮 out so I could do an ECG. I honestly felt really violated.

Edited to add that due to my Trust's stance I obviously could do nothing about the incident in the way I can report a man for being sexually inappropriate.

Edited

That is appalling. When we get to the south coast would you be ok if I quoted you for the Press? This is just so unacceptable that organisations are allowing this to happen to employees

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 21:31

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:22

EVERY SINGLE NHS POLICY READS LIKE THIS!!

In case you missed that: Every single one.
There are no protected single sex spaces anywhere in the NHS at all. Anywhere.

If you want to help keep the receipts please come and help us on the NHS Policy Audit thread. Currently on an Easter pause but will be auditing the Midlands starting next week

Yes amazing work you've been doing knotty. If you need LNWH trust I can help although embarrassingly I'm not great with technology.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:36

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 21:27

Sheroic work you are doing - please message me if I can help in any way. I feel I have found this thread when 99% of the work is done, though.

I wish!
We’ve only done Scotland and London so far.
We are going region by region
If everyone takes only one or two then many hands makes light work
All totally anonymous - I can’t see who uploads info and you won’t know anything about me either 😬

For anyone else up for helping come on over here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=31&reply=143671368

Page 31 | NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=31&reply=143671368

PersephoneSmith · 19/04/2025 21:37

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 16:23

Am I misunderstanding?
The person who abused you on Facebook has left but not before getting a disciplinary process started against you?

Worse than that. They left the organisation 3 years ago. They have made a compliant about me to my organisation just as a random member of the public.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:39

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 21:31

Yes amazing work you've been doing knotty. If you need LNWH trust I can help although embarrassingly I'm not great with technology.

No worries - bit of googling, print to PDF and some cut & paste. Not much tech required - fill in an online form - easy!

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:40

PersephoneSmith · 19/04/2025 21:37

Worse than that. They left the organisation 3 years ago. They have made a compliant about me to my organisation just as a random member of the public.

How awful. Do google the London social worker case then - sounds similar

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 21:42

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:28

That is appalling. When we get to the south coast would you be ok if I quoted you for the Press? This is just so unacceptable that organisations are allowing this to happen to employees

Good for you!

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 21:43

Ok I'm on it - can you update the regions left to do?

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:47

@TwoLoonsAndASprout was keeping an eye on the list of Midlands trusts left to do. But I expect we will all be busy tomorrow- so hold on to that enthusiasm! One of us will report back on the audit thread

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 21:48

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 21:16

Please show your working.

Quite hard when UKSC didn’t show theirs clearly on the intervention decision. Oh wait, that’s what makes it arbitrary- a decision without proper reasoning.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:51

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 21:48

Quite hard when UKSC didn’t show theirs clearly on the intervention decision. Oh wait, that’s what makes it arbitrary- a decision without proper reasoning.

The SC gave us 88 pages of detailed deliberations. Won’t you even give us a hint?

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 19/04/2025 21:53

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 21:48

Quite hard when UKSC didn’t show theirs clearly on the intervention decision. Oh wait, that’s what makes it arbitrary- a decision without proper reasoning.

I assume it was a decision made on the quality of the submission.

And, again, isn't it odd that no trans advocacy orgs applied to intervene? Perhaps direct your ire at them. They didn't even try.

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:54

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 19/04/2025 21:53

I assume it was a decision made on the quality of the submission.

And, again, isn't it odd that no trans advocacy orgs applied to intervene? Perhaps direct your ire at them. They didn't even try.

I know right?

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 22:03

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 19/04/2025 21:53

I assume it was a decision made on the quality of the submission.

And, again, isn't it odd that no trans advocacy orgs applied to intervene? Perhaps direct your ire at them. They didn't even try.

Peter Daly has informative threads on X about all of these matters.

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 22:06

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 21:48

Quite hard when UKSC didn’t show theirs clearly on the intervention decision. Oh wait, that’s what makes it arbitrary- a decision without proper reasoning.

The fact the reasons are not published does not make the reasons arbitrary.

The politest thing I can say about that is that you have just stated in terms that you have absolutely no basis for your assertion.

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 22:14

@KnottyAuty
That is appalling. When we get to the south coast would you be ok if I quoted you for the Press? This is just so unacceptable that organisations are allowing this to happen to employees
Please do!

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 22:57

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 21:51

The SC gave us 88 pages of detailed deliberations. Won’t you even give us a hint?

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_judgment_aea6c48cee.pdf

There’s a difference between the decision on intervention, made last year, and the judgment handed down this week.

And it’s completely usual, and reasonable, for UKSC to give its reasons for a decision on intervention.

I find it’s generally more sensible to read the judgment itself than tweets from a lawyer with a clear agenda like Daly purporting to digest it.

FlakyCritic · 20/04/2025 05:03

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 20:00

Sorry I think you’ve missed my point. I’m very familiar with the rules.
However the decision made regarding intervenors in this case was arbitrary.

No it wasn't, you are lying.

Again, the Scottish government was the trans defence. And other groups could have applied, they...did....not. THEIR FAULT!

And again, not ONE feminist group was listened to during the GRR debates, why weren't you complaining then? Hypocrite!

SinnerBoy · 20/04/2025 06:26

I wonder why the fragrant McCloud, V was not permitted to make their,

"I've always used the ladies, therefore, it's all fine for me and my cohort to continue," presentation.

I'm sure it's got nothing to do with they being invited to resign quietly, rather than be cast out, because of them's political activism.

No, it's a mystery all right; one worthy of Miss Marple and no mistake.

TheHereticalOne · 20/04/2025 07:01

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 22:57

There’s a difference between the decision on intervention, made last year, and the judgment handed down this week.

And it’s completely usual, and reasonable, for UKSC to give its reasons for a decision on intervention.

I find it’s generally more sensible to read the judgment itself than tweets from a lawyer with a clear agenda like Daly purporting to digest it.

Is it? Could you give examples?

I don't think it is at all usual for the SCUK to publish reasons for the rejection of an intervention.

For example, the Supreme Court earlier this year rejected the intervention of the Treasury (among others) while allowing the intervention of the FCA (and one other) in appeals related to car finance.

The only 'reason' published for those decisions was to note that Court’s approach to applications for permission to intervene is set out in the practice direction i referred you to earlier in this thread.

mrshoho · 20/04/2025 08:53

Another for the sinners list

Nicola Coughlan, actress. On a mission to raise loads of money for the poor trans victims. I thought she was much younger than her actual age but she's late 30's and carrying on like a teenager. Shame as I loved her characters.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/04/2025 09:30

Good, they can use the money for their own services instead of stealing ours.

highame · 20/04/2025 10:41

I wonder what David Isaacs thinks of all this? Any remorse?