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A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING

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MarieDeGournay · 18/04/2025 16:44

Don't all rush at once!🙄

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TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 17:40

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The Supreme Court is not a consulting body. It exists to interpret the law as laid down by Parliament.

It hears legal argument from those bringing the appeal and the respondents.

Sometimes interveners will apply to be heard on pertinent points also. Whether or not their application is accepted is also based on established law.

EHRC and Sex Matters have oral evidence; Amnesty and a combination of lesbian groups gave written submissions.

No trans groups applied to be heard.

You might ask yourself why on earth not. Where were Stonewall, for example? It's really no good crying foul about not being included after choosing not to put yourself forward.

Lovelysummerdays · 19/04/2025 17:42

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 15:38

If you enjoyed that - I did - then do write to them to ask for a follow up episode on the end to update with this week’s ruling? I.e. How can the BBC report without bias on the SC ruling? How will they deal with the inevitable Stonewall enquiries?

Thats a really good idea. I am relistening it really opened my eyes at the time. It was talked about on mumsnet but really not promoted by the bbc, shockingly!

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If anyone else wants to encourage an update.

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 17:46

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 16:19

It's going to be a long list!

Various Police Forces
The Unions

David Wimmin-Should-Shut-Up Tennant

Waitwhat23 · 19/04/2025 17:50

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 17:40

The Supreme Court is not a consulting body. It exists to interpret the law as laid down by Parliament.

It hears legal argument from those bringing the appeal and the respondents.

Sometimes interveners will apply to be heard on pertinent points also. Whether or not their application is accepted is also based on established law.

EHRC and Sex Matters have oral evidence; Amnesty and a combination of lesbian groups gave written submissions.

No trans groups applied to be heard.

You might ask yourself why on earth not. Where were Stonewall, for example? It's really no good crying foul about not being included after choosing not to put yourself forward.

You do wonder why people who are not happy with this judgement aren't demanding apologies from Stonewall, Engender, Scottish Trans Alliance and the many other organisations who have been the main drivers in enforcing self id in Scotland.

Where were they? Why didn't they ask to be interveners? Surely rather remiss of them.

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 17:51

SerenaSemolena · 19/04/2025 17:32

Kellie jay Keane yelling 'he's a man' at Lia Thomas swim was what brought this all to my attention.
Both have massively helped the cause. One by being a brave, fearless, strong, beautiful woman and the other for being a huge, strapping bloke that takes such women's medals

Emperor's new clothes

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2025 17:58

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 14:18

Errrrr nope. That’s not the rule I’m afraid.

Can you show me an example of when the SC have accepted a single individual's intervention?

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 19/04/2025 18:03

Oh I would absolutely love to see an apology from David Tennant (then maybe I wouldn't feel grubby getting Disney just to watch 'Rivals').

Not gonna happen though is it?

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 18:04

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 19/04/2025 18:03

Oh I would absolutely love to see an apology from David Tennant (then maybe I wouldn't feel grubby getting Disney just to watch 'Rivals').

Not gonna happen though is it?

I know I just posted this, but:

"Good old JK!"

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KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 18:08

Waitwhat23 · 19/04/2025 17:50

You do wonder why people who are not happy with this judgement aren't demanding apologies from Stonewall, Engender, Scottish Trans Alliance and the many other organisations who have been the main drivers in enforcing self id in Scotland.

Where were they? Why didn't they ask to be interveners? Surely rather remiss of them.

Separate to the Intervenor bit, what are the Charity Commission rules on an organisation which have knowingly given advice that was unlawful and encouraged many other organisations into unlawful activities?

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 18:10

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 13:19

Nope. The Supreme Court arbitrarily blocked the requested intervention by Victoria McLoud. And yet strangely allowed Sex Matters to intervene for no discernible reason.

The decisions are not arbitrary.

You can read the SC practice directions here: https://supremecourt.uk/how-to-appeal/practice-directions

PD 4.45-57 should be particularly helpful.

Practice Directions - UK Supreme Court

Practice Directions

https://supremecourt.uk/how-to-appeal/practice-directions

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 19:29

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 17:08

And let's have one for the heroes too (I've summarised from the thread):

JKR
Maya Forstater
Kathleen Stock
Graham Linehan
Richard Dawkins
Ricky Gervais
Dave Chappelle

I've missed dozens, I know...please add!

Ricky Gervais’ subtweet celebrating the ruling the other day was awesome.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/04/2025 20:00

Adding the heroes and villains lists.

In memoriam, a true shero: Magdalen Berns.

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 20:00

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 18:10

The decisions are not arbitrary.

You can read the SC practice directions here: https://supremecourt.uk/how-to-appeal/practice-directions

PD 4.45-57 should be particularly helpful.

Sorry I think you’ve missed my point. I’m very familiar with the rules.
However the decision made regarding intervenors in this case was arbitrary.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 19/04/2025 20:01

There’s a great post on X with a picture of David Tennant wearing the “ you’ll have to go through me” t shirt.

The comment says “we did” 😂😂😂

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 20:03

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 20:00

Sorry I think you’ve missed my point. I’m very familiar with the rules.
However the decision made regarding intervenors in this case was arbitrary.

Have you engaged Peter Daly in discussion on this topic?

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 20:04

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 20:00

Sorry I think you’ve missed my point. I’m very familiar with the rules.
However the decision made regarding intervenors in this case was arbitrary.

Oh leave us alone with your sour grapes. Go and ask Stonewall why they didn’t intervene on your behalf. It’s really not up to women to organise your defence - I mean you did have an entire national government on your side. Did you underestimate the 3 women who crowdfunded to say no?

Brefugee · 19/04/2025 20:42

sorry, haven't managed to RTFT yet, but Janice Turner has gathered a few in a Times article

posting the archive version for ease of reading

http://archive.today/M5g5Z

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 20:48

@Silversixpenny
South East Coast Ambulance Service

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 20:49

Also from their Trans policy....

A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING
Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 20:54

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 20:48

@Silversixpenny
South East Coast Ambulance Service

I'd better not need an ambulance in the South East, then!

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 21:00

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 20:49

Also from their Trans policy....

For fuck sake! Any sane person reading this will surely get why the Supreme Court judgement was so vital. Talk about making women second class citizens! Let's hope this policy will be ripped up very soon.

NotDarkGothicMama · 19/04/2025 21:02

With any luck, Eddie Redmayne will find a "moral imperative" to apologise to JKR somewhere up his arse.

AnotherVice · 19/04/2025 21:03

@Silversixpenny A couple of incidents I have attended:
First was actually a trans man with a very obvious female stature, shape, voice. Breasts. During the assessment they 'disclosed' their trans status, something along the lines of 'I was actually born female'. My face evidently gave me away and they immediately followed it with 'don't you think I pass as a man?' Fortunately my crew mate jumped in for me as I wasn't prepared to lie but also didn't want to risk my job.
Secondly, I went to a trans woman, in every way very clearly male. Total fetishist based on the lingerie and blow up dolls in the flat. Absolutely delighted in getting his 'titties' 🤮 out so I could do an ECG. I honestly felt really violated.

Edited to add that due to my Trust's stance I obviously could do nothing about the incident in the way I can report a man for being sexually inappropriate.

TheHereticalOne · 19/04/2025 21:16

ElleWoods15 · 19/04/2025 20:00

Sorry I think you’ve missed my point. I’m very familiar with the rules.
However the decision made regarding intervenors in this case was arbitrary.

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