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Thank you MNHQ

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Blistory · 16/04/2025 15:20

I don't post much on here anymore but just wanted to take a moment today to thank Mumsnet @MNHQ and Justine in particular for standing strong over a considerable number of years.

I fully appreciate that not all Mumsnet members or employees held the same beliefs but in the fury of doxing, banning, and insults, MNHQ held the line to enable this space where women were able to have a discussion.

I know the arguments and concerns over the years but the fact is that this was the only public space for a considerable number of years where a conversation was allowed about what came to be known as gender critical concerns.

This was where women came to gather, to discuss, to learn, to be heard, to form new spaces, to support and to stand strong. It wasn't always a pleasant place to be but it was always a place that was allowed to exist. It stood against the pressure groups, the hate, the doxxing, the pressure of advertisers, Stonewall law and it did so by simply being allowed to exist. The women on here and in the wider world did the rest. It's easy to forget just how difficult it was for MNHQ to hold the line especially when being attacked by all sides.

Thank you.

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teksquad · 16/04/2025 23:57

OTOH, when I think of the women banned for saying "transwomen are men", I'm not sure thanks is appropriate. Acknowledgement maybe, but not thanks.

JohnKettleyIsAWeathermanAndSoIsMichaelFish · 17/04/2025 01:06

I've never broached the subject irl myself. I've never been brave enough. But friends on the other side of the fence have. I've always stood my ground, been shouted at and yes, I have lost friends over this. But then I've come home to the FWR board and found my people and licked my wounds, knowing that I am not alone in my thinking. Thank you MNHQ for giving me that space and clarity. And thank you all of you amazing women who have helped me to make sense of my thoughts in a clear, calm and rational way. I am so grateful to you all.

JustineMumsnet · 17/04/2025 07:51

Thanks all – I really appreciate the appreciation. It’s been severely testing at times – there were moments I genuinely thought we might never see the tide turn, or at least not in our generation. And in the meantime, Mumsnet risked being permanently labelled as bigoted, vicious, and ‘on the wrong side of history’.

A fair number of organisations pulled their advertising under pressure from activists – both internal and external. I’m sure there were many more we never heard from who simply steered clear. Commercial partnerships became noticeably harder to secure. The low point was discovering we’d been blacklisted on instruction from the top brass at Barclays – just weeks before their CEO resigned over concealing ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

When we included a call to clarify the definition of sex in the Equality Act in our 2024 Mumsnet Manifesto, Ocado – who had been excited about a partnership – abruptly pulled out, citing Mumsnet’s “hateful political views”. Despite repeated attempts to explain our position – as a platform committed to amplifying women’s voices – they’ve refused to speak to us ever since.

Nonetheless, even in the darkest moments, when I feared the site might not survive, we never considered banning discussion of this issue altogether. That would have been completely contrary to what Mumsnet is about: a space for mothers to talk about what matters to them. We’ve always believed in the power of respectful, open discussion – especially on difficult topics. And again and again, users have told us that Mumsnet has helped them change their minds, or at least understand a different point of view.

That spirit is what inspired our This Is My Child campaign back in 2013, prompted by a thread where a mother described her own child’s disruptive behaviour – and then explained he had additional needs, and what it was like to parent under constant public judgment. The discussion that followed was one of the most powerful we’ve hosted – and helped many people see things differently.

On the issue of women’s rights, I know some felt we policed conversations too tightly at times. But please remember the pressure we were under. A single sentence, taken out of context and amplified by activists on social media, could result in advertisers – already jittery, particularly during Covid – disappearing overnight and without the advertising we simply cannot cover our running costs and the site would have folded. We were also aware that some activists, posing as users, were deliberately trying to bait others into saying something that could be used to damage us.

So a big well done to everyone on here who played a part in securing what I think most would agree is much-needed clarity in the Equality Act. As ever, we’re in awe of the intelligence, tenacity and resilience of Mumsnet users.

This is my child - about the campaign | Mumsnet

This Is My Child is a myth-busting and awareness-raising campaign about the issues parents whose children have special needs face.

https://www.mumsnet.com/articles/this-is-my-child-about-the-campaign

ErrolTheDragon · 17/04/2025 08:32

I sincerely hope those organisations who didn’t want women to be allowed anywhere we could express our views, defend our rights, safeguard our children, will start to have a good think.

Having a place where women could talk, organise, support legal campaigns etc is, I think, one reason why we’ve now got a sensible clarification of British law, which reasserts the balance between women’s rights and trans peoples rights - not the trashing of one side or the other as has happened elsewhere.

Thank you @JustineMumsnet.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/04/2025 08:39

That's a chilling account @JustineMumsnet . Unbelievable that asking to clarify the definition of sex in the Equality Act in the 2024 Mumsnet Manifesto, led to Ocado deciding Mumsnet had "hateful political views"

Sincerely - thank you.

MsMartini · 17/04/2025 08:43

And from me. This space has really, really mattered, especially for those of us working in captured industries or who cannot raise with our dc.

TrainedByCats · 17/04/2025 08:44

A list of advertisers who cancelled advertising over women expressing legitimate concerns would be interesting. I could add them to my ever growing boycott list.

TuddlyCoy · 17/04/2025 08:44

TrainedByCats · 17/04/2025 08:44

A list of advertisers who cancelled advertising over women expressing legitimate concerns would be interesting. I could add them to my ever growing boycott list.

Agree.

andgoodnessknows · 17/04/2025 08:52

Adding my sincere thanks - this site has made all the difference by allowing women to discuss these critical issues.

peakadulting · 17/04/2025 08:57

Thank you, Justine and team. I don't think we would have got to where we are today without Mumsnet.

insomniaclife · 17/04/2025 08:58

That’s a great OP and I endorse it absolutely

Whenindoubthugitout · 17/04/2025 09:00

Bravo @JustineMumsnet

there have been many nights that I have truly wished that I had never realised the issue, it made me so angry and upset.
i am truly and utterly grateful to you and to FWS for all you have done.

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 09:23

Thank you, Justine, and MNHQ.

And all the women on here who have been so brave, tenacious, thoughtful and determined, including the ones who aren't here anymore. Flowers

user1471538275 · 17/04/2025 09:32

@JustineMumsnet Thank you to you and your team for your courage.

I think many of us can sympathise with what it has cost to push against this tide in the last 20 years and have also experienced the 'is this worth it?' thoughts.

Mumsnet has been a vital place of discussion, of gathering, of support and education and I don't think this will change - there is a tangle to untwist and there will be some busy creating knots as we go.

mrshoho · 17/04/2025 09:50

@JustineMumsnet Justine I'm crying again reading your post. What a phenomenal leader you are. Thank you 💐 xxx

TheHereticalOne · 17/04/2025 09:51

JustineMumsnet · 17/04/2025 07:51

Thanks all – I really appreciate the appreciation. It’s been severely testing at times – there were moments I genuinely thought we might never see the tide turn, or at least not in our generation. And in the meantime, Mumsnet risked being permanently labelled as bigoted, vicious, and ‘on the wrong side of history’.

A fair number of organisations pulled their advertising under pressure from activists – both internal and external. I’m sure there were many more we never heard from who simply steered clear. Commercial partnerships became noticeably harder to secure. The low point was discovering we’d been blacklisted on instruction from the top brass at Barclays – just weeks before their CEO resigned over concealing ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

When we included a call to clarify the definition of sex in the Equality Act in our 2024 Mumsnet Manifesto, Ocado – who had been excited about a partnership – abruptly pulled out, citing Mumsnet’s “hateful political views”. Despite repeated attempts to explain our position – as a platform committed to amplifying women’s voices – they’ve refused to speak to us ever since.

Nonetheless, even in the darkest moments, when I feared the site might not survive, we never considered banning discussion of this issue altogether. That would have been completely contrary to what Mumsnet is about: a space for mothers to talk about what matters to them. We’ve always believed in the power of respectful, open discussion – especially on difficult topics. And again and again, users have told us that Mumsnet has helped them change their minds, or at least understand a different point of view.

That spirit is what inspired our This Is My Child campaign back in 2013, prompted by a thread where a mother described her own child’s disruptive behaviour – and then explained he had additional needs, and what it was like to parent under constant public judgment. The discussion that followed was one of the most powerful we’ve hosted – and helped many people see things differently.

On the issue of women’s rights, I know some felt we policed conversations too tightly at times. But please remember the pressure we were under. A single sentence, taken out of context and amplified by activists on social media, could result in advertisers – already jittery, particularly during Covid – disappearing overnight and without the advertising we simply cannot cover our running costs and the site would have folded. We were also aware that some activists, posing as users, were deliberately trying to bait others into saying something that could be used to damage us.

So a big well done to everyone on here who played a part in securing what I think most would agree is much-needed clarity in the Equality Act. As ever, we’re in awe of the intelligence, tenacity and resilience of Mumsnet users.

I had no idea Ocado was behaving this way and so recently.

Thanks for the heads up - I will be revisiting my food shopping options!

Helleofabore · 17/04/2025 09:58

Thank you @JustineMumsnet . And thank you to the team at MN.

sandgreen · 17/04/2025 09:59

Adding my thanks also, to Mumsnet and all the brilliant, knowledgeable women on here who have made such a difference.

user101101 · 17/04/2025 10:00

I’m not one to repeat what’s always been said but it needs repeating

Thank you @mnhq

DontStopMe · 17/04/2025 10:05

Thank you, Mumsnet, you are very much appreciated.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 17/04/2025 10:08

Flowers MNHQ.

And especially Flowers Justine for your courage. That Spectator interview with Helen Joyce and Sarah Pedersen reminded me that you and your family paid a personal price for taking this stand.

GryffindorsSword · 17/04/2025 10:17

Thank you so much ❤️

Bluebootsgreenboots · 17/04/2025 10:30

Another lurker saying thank you, I appreciate what a tight line you’ve had to hold, but thank goodness you did! It was the only source of information and discussion.

RickyBobbysKFC · 17/04/2025 10:33

Flowers thank you.

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