Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

@Soontobe60
’Why would 3rd spaces be required? The law is very clear - TW cannot be discriminated against when using spaced designated solely for males.k

You are right, but as the argument has been that TW are at risk from other men in a male single sex space, a third space would help with this. Having said this, this is their fight and not ours - I think we are all exhausted tbh.

"This judgment further reinforces that the Equality Act does not, and never has, allowed for the self-identification of sex under the Act. Nonetheless, policies based on self-identification remain in place across the UK, in hospitals, police forces, schools and prisons" ( Murray, Blackburn, Mackenzie)

And Dawn Butler. And Caroline Nokes.

Do love the sight and sound of women celebrating! It’s always joyful.

Men en masse celebrating are less reliably joyful- aggression seems to creep in.

Yes. If they want third spaces, give them third spaces.
If some women want to share those third spaces, let them satisfy their needs.
If other women want to use single sex spaces, for the love of god let them have thier dignity and privacy without males present.

As if they’d fight for this. As we all really know, those loudest TRA voices only ever wanted women’s spaces, they didn’t want third spaces. It’s all it was ever about. Be interesting to see how things develop now.

Also deeply relieved about this ruling. Absolute admiration for the brave and persistent warriors of FWS, Sex Matters and the other organisations who have fought for this outcome.

Hallelujah! Common sense prevails for once

This us a fabulous milestone!

I didn’t realise just how emotional I would be until now. Absolutely the right result and I’m so relieved as I am uncomfortable about the thought of being forced to share female only spaces with non-female persons. Bravo to all women who speak up and the common sense of all.

A good day for the law and for common sense.

The UK's Supreme Court's press summaries are often a good starting point to see what the court said

supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_press_summary_8a42145662.pdf

I wonder if the tribunal in Sandie Peggy's case is taking notice of all the 'public interest' in this court case, it might help inform their decision on whether or not to exclude the public from their case when it resumes in July, if it resumes in July.

When the pity party has been cleared away and the hangovers subsided, perhaps the attendees should seize the moment to campaign for inclusive male spaces.

Perhaps a clear message from the wokebro’s that all types of men are welcome in the men’s room! A celebration of diversity and acceptance, and confirmation that TW will be protected and held in safety within male spaces. Both in law and by the progressive moral standards we all expect from these enlightened individuals.

I've finally caught up (I was out with the dog when the judgment came in)!

Hoo - fucking - rah for the judgment. Such a relief. Huge, huge thanks to the women of FWS who brought this case to the SC, and thanks to everybody who chipped in to crowd fund it, so it could happen.

Thanks also to the interveners, and all those who have put their heads over the parapet to support logic and common sense, taking so much abuse in the process.

We owe you all massively. 💐

I am just wondering how Girl Guiding are going to respond to the judgment today. One of the main reasons I quit my involvement with the movement after more than 20 years was how they treated GC members. I'm going to be looking with interest at their official response.

Wonder how the Women and Equalities Select Committee are going to respond. I've had so many smiles today. Ipso is still my favourite though

Daniel Radcliffe and cronies.

What the piece on the World at One (and all the other news reports) could have done with was a very clear upfront reminder of why we need women-only spaces in the first place - male violence and sexual predation. Transwomen continue to have a male pattern of offending. Not all males will be violent and predatory, but we can't know who is and who isn't, so until very recently everybody knew and accepted (except the criminals) that there were certain places that males over the age of about 8 kept out of, so that women and girls could have safety and privacy when in a vulnerable state.

Transmen who 'pass' will probably continue using the male toilets and changing rooms. They present no physical threat to men and if they are discreet they may feel they are safe. I hope they are. What I would really like would be for young women and girls to stop feeling that the self-harm from wearing breast binders and taking testosterone is preferable to trying to navigate life as a female. That's the next battle.

Seconded! A HUGE thank you to all those who fought for this and congratulations to girls and women everywhere who will - whether they know it or not - receive the benefit of this judgement.

Female newsreaders are having a passive agggressive ball today 😄

Have IPSO spoken about this?

I keep hearing about equal pay, but I don’t understand why. A PP argued that transmen can now demand equal pay with men, and Victoria McCloud, a trans former judge, argued in the Guardian that transwomen now can’t demand equal pay with (other) men.

But surely trans people with male sex in the eyes of the law - transmen with a GRC before this decision, and transwomen now - can use the gender reassignment criterion to demand equal pay with men who are not trans?

Very late lunch at work, managed to secretly listen to the judgement earlier. I am so pleased. I have done very little for the cause in comparison to the amazing women that were there for the announcement earlier today, but we have all played our part and be it gardening, supporting meetings, running the gauntlet of TRA in Brighton (twice), Hastings, London, Cardiff, Edinburgh etc., we should all take today to celebrate.

I put a bottle of fizz in the fridge this morning, either way it was going to be opened tonight, thankfully we now know for celebration rather than commiseration!
What we have achieved here is so totally awesome! 💐🥳😍

Now is also the time to address pronouns...

Part of the argument has been that everyone must use the adopted pronouns (out of respect / not being transphobic) - but in reality because by forcing acceptance of one area, other areas become easier...

However - a pronoun goes with the correct word - so She for woman / He for man etc. and as the Supreme Court ruling has confirmed that these are based on biological sex - so should pronouns be - to call a trans-woman 'she' is to imply or state that person as a woman - but unless their biological sex is a woman, that is not accurate...

So, let's start to see the correct pronouns being used - out of respect to those people - if the Supreme Court says that a trans-woman is legally a man because they are biologically a man, then it would be offensive for anyone to go against the law as confirmed and call them 'she' because that would be to see them as a woman which they are not - and could be seen as discriminatory because you are treating them differently to all other biological males...

the ruling confirmed that we must not discriminate - we must treat all men the same and all women the same - so let's make sure that we do so by using the correct pronouns...

It will also peel back more of the wrapper of obscurity which has been so carefully constructed over all this discussion - if there is a newspaper article discussing a man convicted for rape, then to refer to them as 'she' is not only inaccurate as now confirmed, but obscures our understanding of what has actually happened - by returning to the accurate use of the English language, we provide transparency, clarity and parity for all

I too am very grateful to hear this news. The debate has irritated me no end for a long time. I have nothing against trans people, except that they try to make people accept a lie - they are not women, they are trans people, either trans men or trans women. 'I'm more woman than you'll ever be' = absolute rubbish.