FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

[IDareSay]

The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

Because she is deranged

so many men crawling out of the woodwork on social media displaying their bafflement that it had come to this and that surely if only everyone had been nicer it could have been sorted more amicably 🤪

so Who’s going to be the first to ask The Rest is Politics if they’re going to cover this 😆

From the BBC coverage

"We all need to think about how we take this forward", says Graham Leadbitter, an MP for the SNP.

"It's particularly important to remember that trans people are amongst the most discriminated against in society and they have some of the highest suicide risk", he added.

Is this correct? I seem to remember evidence that the statistics for violent crime skew the other way.

Oh, does anyone know if Lil Owen has spoken up?

Thank you @fromorbit
I wonder where this leaves the Darlington nurses?

As I understand it they either exclude men, all men, or they can't call it single sex or women only. Other legislation, such as H&S, mandates separation sex toilets and changing rooms. So they must be available and tw are excluded from the ones for women. Third spaces can be provided, I suppose.

I remember the RSPB advertising 'women only' night walks last spring about £20 for a place. In the small print these walks were available to tw and nb I don't think they could legally do that now. They could fall foul of trading standards or sex discrimination for excluding men who don't claim to have lady brains. But ianal and I look forward to see how things like this will pan out.

No it’s bollocks and has been debunked a gazillion times

but they just carry on

Edited original post as wrong thread - took me a while to realise there were two going strong! 😂 Phew, and yay, and thanks - on both threads to all readers - was the gist!

It's a common TRA talking point and it's crap -

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

https://www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

And the percentage of offenders who are trans identified males and are also sex offenders is higher than the male prison population.

Thanks to the SNP for their huge payout to women's rights. They went the long way round, but its great they eventually made a huge donation :)

Lucy HunterBlackburn
Today's judgment means FWS have won against the Scottish Government in both the cases they brought. there have been 5 hearings in all. FWS has already had costs awarded for the first case they brought. They will now be entitled to claim for costs against the SG in this one.

I just saw a report describing FWS as "backed financially by JK Rowling". That's a description that could leave people with a false impression of the risks FWS has taken here. The major part of FWS's upfront costs in bringing this case comes from lots of small donations./

JKR is public as having made one large donation towards the costs of this second case - but still below one-third of the total.

Of course, now FWS have won, the SG will be liable for costs. So the single largest "financial backer" of FWS will now be... the Scottish Government./

But the amount due to them for costs will still be far (far) below what SG gives each year to the organisations that have been instrumental in pushing it to pursue the policy and legal changes which have ended up with this defeat.

Reposting because this needs repeating.

No it's not true, and it's depressing this lie is still being bandied about by our elected officials. They should be called out every time they LIE.

There was a US court case recently where Chas Strangio for ACLU had to admit that there wasn't a high rate of suicide for trans people

This lie (that trans people are the most vulnerable and the most at risk of suicide) in particular boils my blood because it’s the one the TRA doctors and therapists use to blackmail parents into medicalising their gender confused children. I am not really into corporal punishment, but I could be persuaded to consider it for anyone who peddles this utterly irresponsible twaddle.

I thought so but will have to go and find the reference (unless someone has it to hand)

I guess that the BBC get to keep publishing 'facts' like this by ensuring that they don't state them in their editorial but quote someone else as having said it.

A shame that in other situations they will publish a fact check to correct an erroneous statement but not in this case.

X posted - I see plenty of references now, will take a look

Oh, bloody hell, the Voice of Reason types?

They can FOTTFSOFATFOSM.

In answer to your second part, it's not NHS Fife's case to drop. They're a respondent (in a criminal case that would equate to tmdefendant). It's Sandie's case.

They could offer a settlement, but I don't think there's any way to settle one part and continue to defend the rest. Nor do I think that is another likely to be accepted even if it could be made. Especially as the harassment and defamation is a much larger issue for Sandie personally than the changing room, although the latter is the one with wider implications beyond this individual case.

I’m late to the thread but just wanted to add my tears of joy and thanks to everyone who has got us this far. I’ve not done anywhere near as much as many but I’ve lost friends, been told to shut up, been in to schools to complain about gender identity lessons and the impact on vulnerable autistic girls, donated to court cases, complained to my MP, petitioned, only finding 2 women (2!!!!!) in my friendship group who weren’t uncomfortable with pushing back. Things were obviously turning, but I didn’t dare to expect this!!!! Still a long way to go. And I still want to state my belief that I don’t care how anyone dresses or presents themselves - happy with all self-expression, but could not, can not, will not ever say yes to the absolute lie that men can be women.
Thank you all on this forum for your inspiration, I felt so alone, feeling so strongly about something so unbelievably important and so fucking obvious, but such an unpopular view. We are getting there.

I'm slightly disappointed there doesn't seem to be a current series of the Last Leg. I gave up watching it ages ago, but might have tuned in to see what idiocy they came up with.

I think the judgement was in time for the recording of this week's Have I Got News For You, though. So that could be interesting.

Webberly is a disgraced gender quack with a grift, not a lawyer. I wouldn’t set too much score by anything she comes out with.

I've been trying to read up on this today - it's all pretty confusing. But it seems that changes were made to try and deal with the fact that the new birth cert could be outing. There was a legislative change in 2011 to cover this but the details of it aren't clear. So I don't know if you can tell from the birth cert that the sex marker has been changed.

Have had a chaotic day at work, but was close to tears in the office listening to the judgment summary. I hope everyone who has had any part in this fight in any way, however small, feels vindicated today. What a marvellous day for women’s rights! I’m looking forward to reading the judgment in full.

I agree plus no PMQ or Question Time.

My husband has brought home a bottle of champagne to celebrate the win ❤️