FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

Thank you FWS. Thank you Mumsnet. Thank you to all the women I’ve whispered to in corners. So fucking relieved.

A message for those who have put us under surveillance (and no, I don't mean the MN moderators). How about you now campaign for males/men to accept all other males/men for who they are, regardless of how they are dressed or whether or not they wear make up. Put your energy into that.

Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s worth reposting if that’s the case 😁

section 171 of the judgement:

”171. The definition of sex in the EA 2010 makes clear that the concept of sex is binary,
a person is either a woman or a man. Persons who share that protected characteristic for
the purposes of the group-based rights and protections are persons of the same sex and
provisions that refer to protection for women necessarily exclude men. Although the word
“biological” does not appear in this definition, the ordinary meaning of those plain and
unambiguous words corresponds with the biological characteristics that make an
individual a man or a woman. These are assumed to be self-explanatory and to require no
further explanation. Men and women are on the face of the definition only differentiated
as a grouping by the biology they share with their group.“

When you see some confused blokes, still confused over ordinary words, the underlined section (that’s me doing that) should be enough of a response.

🥂

From the Famous Artist Birdie Rose

I know the collective noun for ferrets is a business.

What is the collective noun for reversing ferrets? A hypocrisy?

I am expecting a hypocrisy of reversing ferrets? I think that works.

An "expedience" of ferrets reversing

BBC Radio 4 'News at One' programme featured a trans identified male feigning being on the edge of tears.....and suggesting this ruling "may mean a lot", or it may "mean very little". Implying that this ruling it excludes trans identified people from civc life, when of course it does nothing of the sort....it just makes clear that TW are not legally women.

The interviewer was overly solicitous and suggesting that it may well only end up relating to some single sex spaces such as prisons and refuges....and by implication toilets would not be effected.

This is my concern. I suspect that Labour will try to fudge and will not offer clear guidance on the necessity of single sex provisions - leaving it up to individual providers.

An embarrassment of reversing ferrets.

This is why Sandie's tribunal has to go ahead and not settle. Then it is 100% clear - a biological woman is not someone who is "not a robot and biological" but actually someone who is identified female at birth

Beep. Beep. This bus is reversing.
EHRC mind those wheels!"

Well a lot of these people have never been known for their grip on reality.

The BBC, well, just being the BBC. cutting from the studio, constantly reiterating 'no cause for celebration' to crowds of very happy women.
Unfortunately the FT also centres it on trans rights. With no comments allowed.

To be fair that does put RMW in the correct category

Yes, ideally that abject nonsense can be addressed in the judgment.

I used to think Madras was a topp school in Fife. I went to one of the erm less storied high schools in the Kingdom, you could say.

It was Jane Fae was it......of " women and their egg shell skulls " renown.

Have just looked up what the collective term for ferrets is and it is a business or busy-ness of ferrets (depending on source).

So a collective term for reverse ferrets could perhaps be a grifting business of reverse ferrets.

That will be the same Scottish Gov that the EHRC wrote to recently to tell them their state run facilities like hospitals weren’t complying with the law!

How nasty they are, women celebrating, can't have that, already trying to put them back in place.

This is a great ruling, and I hope that governments in other countries take note, especially those with advanced Self-ID laws.

A bankruptcy?

Ooh, what about a corruption?

I suppose its too much to hope that all public bodies and private industry will cancel their Stonewall membership with immediate effect given that they bear a lot responsibility for the misleading advice. The result has been many of these organisations have acted illegally.

Brainworm is suggesting a solution to the problem, not setting out the current situation.

I hope some of them sue; Stonewall, Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence, all the other lying grifters. I hope they all get sued. This judgement should help Allison Bailey's case against Stonewall. At least I hope so.

Let's hope so. Any organisation with Stonewall accreditation needs to be examined - has that accreditation been brought about by contravening the rights of women and girls within the org and using the "Stonewall Law" illegal interpretation of the EqA? If so, those orgs need to be dealt with pronto.

The judge mentioned how cogent the Sex Matters case was.