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FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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IDareSay · 10/04/2025 11:13

The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

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KnottyAuty · 16/04/2025 10:28

JamesWebbSpaceTelescope · 16/04/2025 10:13

The BBC reporter (on website) is sounding very emotional about this decision. Could be just nerves as this is a very high profile case or could be the reaction of the case.

10:09 is the timestamp for when they start commentary. The correspondant from Glasgow looks like she has been crying

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 16/04/2025 10:29

Fucking fantastic!! I'm on a campsite with a dodgy 4g connection so couldn't watch live, and news sites weren't loading either. But Mumsnet seems to magically work without needing a lot of data or something, huzzah!! I will spend this evening catching up on all the coverage once I'm home with WiFi.

The feeling of relief is immense. Which is ridiculous. But today I will only focus on the positive 💜💚

Boiledbeetle · 16/04/2025 10:30

Naomi giving them 💐

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2025 10:30

Helen giving flowers

MaeDuptag · 16/04/2025 10:30

@Peregrina its worth watching the whole judgement and savouring every word!

I also listened to the first judgement and wonder if this might also impact the Sandy Peggie ruling regarding open justice too?

Harassedevictee · 16/04/2025 10:30

There is going to be so many DEI and HR people going “Oh Shit” as they have a lot of work to do.

Every space with “Woman” on the door means only biological women can walk through it. Toilets, changing rooms, prisons - how can a male be in a woman’s prison. It makes it mixed sex.

FWS Thank you, Thank you

Warmhandscoldheart · 16/04/2025 10:31

BuntyBeaufort · 16/04/2025 10:20

It’s really not hard to deduce on which side of the argument the BBC commentators (both female) sit.

Disgraceful bias

dapsnotplimsolls · 16/04/2025 10:31

CompleteGinasaur · 16/04/2025 10:27

And much love to Magdalen Berns. Xxxxxx

I'll be raising a glass tonight.

littlbrowndog · 16/04/2025 10:32

dapsnotplimsolls · 16/04/2025 10:31

I'll be raising a glass tonight.

She was one of the first people who brought this to me. What a woman she was

ArabellaScott · 16/04/2025 10:32

💜Magdalen

nauticant · 16/04/2025 10:33

Shortly to be discussed on Woman's Hour. But I expect it will just be the basics.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 16/04/2025 10:33

In case it hasn't already been posted, here's a link to the webpage version of the whole text of the Supreme Court ruling:

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

For Women Scotland Ltd (Appellant) v The Scottish Ministers (Respondent) - UK Supreme Court

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

Waitwhat23 · 16/04/2025 10:33

EasternStandard · 16/04/2025 10:25

Just watched that. I’m a mess

For anyone who hasn't got a copy

FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am
Harassedevictee · 16/04/2025 10:33

OMG it means any male in a female single sex space is now a voyeur. They always were but hurt feelings meant we weren’t supposed to say it.

Orangemintcream · 16/04/2025 10:34

I am loving the announcer that the Scottish government guidance is - and I quote “incorrect” by the BBC.

Am I right that, while this is a ruling in relation to two Scottish parties, the Equality act is UK law so this judgement has UK wide repercussions?

miraxxx · 16/04/2025 10:35

Caught the last 5 minutes of the judgement being delivered. Excellent news and congrats to all the british women who stood up for this fight. 👏👏👏

Slothtoes · 16/04/2025 10:35

WithSilverBells · 16/04/2025 10:27

I've broken open an Easter egg to celebrate😍

Huge shout out to Mumsnet where FWS met, and where I first realised I wasn't going mad

Yes this. Thank you everyone involved in FWR, posting and hosting. There were long terrifying years when discussing this obvious biological truth felt unsayable pretty much everywhere else but here. And even then, we had to talk in code here sometimes. Thank you, Mumsnetters and Mumsnet. This is for all women Flowers

FuriousAndFrustrated · 16/04/2025 10:35

The fucking Guardian.... have to make it all about trans 😡

FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am
ExtraordinaryMachine1 · 16/04/2025 10:37

It would be a delight to never hear the word "identity" ever, ever again.

Boiledbeetle · 16/04/2025 10:37

FuriousAndFrustrated · 16/04/2025 10:35

The fucking Guardian.... have to make it all about trans 😡

Of course they would!!!

FarriersGirl · 16/04/2025 10:38

The nine key points in the summary judgement closely underlay the discussions made on these threads over years, AND UNANIMOUS !!!!!!
So happy I have done 4 laps running round the garden. Think it might have to be champagne for lunch🍾

NoFineBalance · 16/04/2025 10:38

The battle isn't over. Kier Starmer and the government needs to be watched closely. They will be lobbied hard by the trans lobby to bring in new legislation that overturns/nullifies/amends the EqA, and renders this judgment meaningless. Parliament is the ultimate legislator in this country (unlike the US, where the Supreme Court has that power). I am hoping KS will just let the whole thing quietly go away now and accept it as settled law, but he will be under pressure by the extreme left wing of his party to fix this.

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Haveiwon · 16/04/2025 10:39

Fantastic news!!!! I was so nervous and can’t quite believe it!! Thank you FWS and all their supporters!!!!

EasternStandard · 16/04/2025 10:39

FuriousAndFrustrated · 16/04/2025 10:35

The fucking Guardian.... have to make it all about trans 😡

This stuff needs to go. It’s so bad I agree. It’s about women.

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