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FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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IDareSay · 10/04/2025 11:13

The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

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KnottyAuty · 16/04/2025 09:13

Instructions · 16/04/2025 09:08

I am so tired of constant centring of trans people. This is a legal definition of woman. Why is all the focus on "how this will impact trans people"? They're, what 3% of the population at most? Why is the impact on them the important one? Why not the impact on adult human female women?

Always about them and their feelings and their wants and their precious sense of identity. Nothing emphasises more for me that trans women are males than the extent to which they and their fans insist they come first in all things.

According to Scotland’s census in 2022, the trans population is about 0.22% of the population plus a similar number of non-binary. So 0.44% total group if including all together. Of that trans-women are 0.11-0.12%. So it’s even more ridiculous that this tiny group can be allowed to negatively impact 51% of the population

wantmorenow · 16/04/2025 09:13

ok that's weird - it looked fine in preview then broke after posting. Sorry

wantmorenow · 16/04/2025 09:15

Nope can't paste the link - weird.

nauticant · 16/04/2025 09:17

The live stream on the Supreme Court website:

supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2024-0042

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/04/2025 09:18

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/04/2025 07:45

I wish the BBC hadn’t gone with that headline. Lucy HunterBlackburn on X yesterday pointed out:

Tomorrow, the Supreme Court will not "decide what a woman is", any more than the Scopes monkey trial "decided" if evolution was true. It will however decide how far a 20-year old legal fiction makes a nonsense of "sex" in the Equality Act 2010.

While I agree its a poor description of the case, I'm actually quite happy with the headline. It's so ridiculous that it will jolt a lot of people who've not previously been paying attention.

Cushionchop · 16/04/2025 09:19

I’ll be watching! I can’t believe this even needs to happen.

Iamnotalemming · 16/04/2025 09:22

Sat waiting for live stream to start. Ridiculously nervous.
No matter the outcome, huge thanks to FWS for making this case happen. You'll always have my gratitude and admiration.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 16/04/2025 09:23

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/04/2025 09:18

While I agree its a poor description of the case, I'm actually quite happy with the headline. It's so ridiculous that it will jolt a lot of people who've not previously been paying attention.

I'm happy that it describes them as a women's group and not an anti-trans group. I hope that the mere existence of the case will focus everyone's perceptions on women's rights and how they've been undermined.

DontTellMeWhat2Do · 16/04/2025 09:23

BBC are live streaming it now!

Endthisshit · 16/04/2025 09:25

Thanks is the program from radio ulster stonewall Nolan investigates? From 10/21. Will listen anyway.

Lark1ane · 16/04/2025 09:25

@Iwishihadariver No need to quote me when expressing your own view thanks. I'll assume that as everyone is a bit on edge this morning we are missing the nuances in each others posts Flowers

Datun · 16/04/2025 09:25

If it goes against FWS, the headlines will leap at it. The very concept of women doesn't exist, women erased, women's rights destroyed, etc.

It doesn't mean anything has actually changed, only that what we suspected all along, that TRAs knew exactly what they were doing when they inserted their stupid laws into existing legislation, has been quite effective.

And now the rest of the country knows it, TV pundits know it, interviewers know it, every woman in the land knows it, the government and crucially, their opposition knows it.

And they will get asked all the bloody questions. People will absolutely see it as sexist, made up nonsense, designed mostly to benefit men with a fetish.

You have to establish what the actual law means, before you can start to address it and get it dismantled.

I really hope they win, but, and I know we've said this before, this might just be another battle to secure the success of the war.

Because even if they lose, or it's fudged, this is still going in the same direction.

I hadn't realised they met on Mumsnet either.

How bloody fantastic is that ❤️

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/04/2025 09:30

Endthisshit · 16/04/2025 09:25

Thanks is the program from radio ulster stonewall Nolan investigates? From 10/21. Will listen anyway.

Yes, that's the one. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

BBC Sounds - Nolan Investigates - Available Episodes

Listen to the latest episodes of Nolan Investigates on BBC Sounds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p09yjmph

BabaYagasHouse · 16/04/2025 09:30

wantmorenow · 16/04/2025 09:11

I think this is the link for those wishing to watch live s

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Thank you! Was just about to post to ask this🙏

Keeptoiletssafe · 16/04/2025 09:30

Guardian are live streaming it

RendallPorter · 16/04/2025 09:37

Igneococcus · Today 08:46

What is your background ** I see you're posting in the comments section of the Times as well

After a career in social entrepreneurship, NHS Executive leadership and politics, I have just written a book called 'Motherfckd: the cancellation of mothers, why it matters and how to fix it.' The book links the dramatic failure of maternity services in the UK and the exclusion of mothers from the economy to ideologies that dehumanise mothers. This goes beyond gender theory and spans NHS business models, surrogacy law reform, natural childbirth and others. I have spent two years researching the law and theories that treat childbearing as a desexed, incidental business. I am keen to represent all sides fairly, factually and dispassionately. Needless to say, while the book has had a positive response from literary agents, publishers are trepidatious about publishing it. Any contacts would be gratefully received.

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/04/2025 09:37

Keeptoiletssafe · 16/04/2025 09:30

Guardian are live streaming it

They must be confident.......a bit like Glasgow was when the announcement for hosting Eurovision was announced........and Liverpool got it! 😎

Peregrina · 16/04/2025 09:38

The Guardian Live streaming it? Wonders will never cease! But if it goes the way FWS want it they will have a melt down. If it goes in favour of the TransWomen they will be jubilant and unbearable, but I have stopped reading it regularly anyway, largely because of the Trans issue.

Peregrina · 16/04/2025 09:39

I am too afraid to watch the live stream!

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/04/2025 09:41

Peregrina · 16/04/2025 09:39

I am too afraid to watch the live stream!

It will also give explanations for the judgment, so I think you should.

i suspect it will be handed back to parliament.

Lark1ane · 16/04/2025 09:41

I wonder if Rip Off Britain* will live stream it?

*joke

Catiette · 16/04/2025 09:42

Watching and waiting. Fingers crossed, but I'll hold on to Datun's post above if it doesn't go our way - a battle lost but a war to be won.

lnks · 16/04/2025 09:44

Does anyone have a link to where I can read the submissions?

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