FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down Weds 16th April at 9.45am

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The Ruling in FWS v Scottish Ministers will be handed down next Weds 16th April at 9.45am It will also be streamed via the UKSC website, so you can watch live.

https://x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1910272949350695371

Every grant making trust that I’m aware of is equally as captured as every government dept

Just seen the BBC headline. My heart sunk at the way it was worded. I've got a bad feeling about this but I hope I'm wrong 😬

That this is happening at all infuriates me. We all know what a woman is. We all know what man is. It is madness that this is where we are.

@RendallPorter

Oh hello again.

This decision is not about the SSEs.

You are quite right, of course, that the widespread failure to use them, because of lobbying, threats, and withholding of funding, is an egregious attack on women's rights.

Maybe this case will make people think about that, though: I'll give you that.

I saw that headline and brief report making it all about the T and not women Projectme. Gnash of teeth..

I'm also not feeling confident, which is ridiculous, as we all know the truth,but just being lied to.

Annoyed by headline on Today programme saying the judgement could impact transgender people. Did they not think it impacts women? Complained.

And (as an aside, after reading the MF thread earlier) the GRC situation when it’s often claimed that such a thing doesn’t need to be shown or that asking to see it is humiliating in some way. If a 16 year old decides to identify as 18 to buy alcohol, of course he or she will be asked to provide proof of age, or not be served. The 16 yo can’t demand to be served on the basis that they have proof of age, but it’s at home. So the retailer is perfectly within its right to refuse service.

BBC radio Scotland phone in about this topic this morning

Cases such as this really matter to me, not just as a woman, but as someone who has worked in the D&I field for a long time. I hate what our jobs have become. I'm fortunate in that I now specialise in supporting a PC that isn't sex or gender reassignment so it doesn't come up, but my employer have announced redundancies so my dilemna is whether to look for another D&I role or do something else. I love helping disadvantaged people and hate how the T has completely taken over. If cases such as this are successful, my job may become easier. Who knows.

First thing I heard on Radio 4 this morning...very unusual for The BBC to have such a headline.....which also made me concerned. I'm suspecting that the ruling will be a further fudge which will pass the buck to the government to sort out...which it won't...of course, and may well just make things worse.

What is your background @RendallPorter I see you're posting in the comments section of the Times as well.

But this is about the T. It's the culmination of a lengthy process to decide whether transwomen are able to be included in the "women" quota on Boards in Scotland.

Granted, the ramifications of this will affect women hugely.

Agree, odd for the BBC to 'go early' with this sort of headline.

Seems like it is paving the way for their 'big reveal' later today

It’s about the legal definition of the word “woman”, so it affects women (the vast majority) and transwomen (a tiny minority).

Any inclusion of transwomen in the category “woman” has knock on effects. For example, in sport, one transwoman gold medallist affects not only the woman superseded, but a long “tail” of women who all go down a place.

For anyone who would like to express their thanks to FWS for all their work on this -

"The announcement marks the culmination of a long-running legal battle between the Scottish government and a women's group"

This is the first paragraph on the BBC piece - clearly trying to diminish the claimant. Not even detailing who the group is.

I do know what its about, I'm not daft. Did you see the report? No mention at all of why this decision is so important for women. It's more than Boards in Scotland in it's wider significance I'm sure you'll agree.

It was phrased as though the decision would be to the detriment of transpeople.
Nothing about women at all.

I feel sick waiting for this to start this morning!

Sending much love, with everything crossed, to For Women Scotland for all they've done 💜

Feeling quite sick too.
Am having to distraction tidy and vacuum.

This is all “true” but you may want to listen to the BBC podcast about Stonewall from a few years back. It is a good introduction on the mechanisms working against single sex spaces and embedding sex discrimination. I’m only 8 weeks into my “awakening” and I’ve been doing a lot of reading. You might find it useful to do the same to catch up with a lot of the more learned posters here

Yes, nervous here too. On the bus on the way to a conference. Have asked my GC husband to WhatsApp me with yes, no, middle.

Also feeling very sick this morning

I am so tired of constant centring of trans people. This is a legal definition of woman. Why is all the focus on "how this will impact trans people"? They're, what 3% of the population at most? Why is the impact on them the important one? Why not the impact on adult human female women?

Always about them and their feelings and their wants and their precious sense of identity. Nothing emphasises more for me that trans women are males than the extent to which they and their fans insist they come first in all things.

I don't think you're daft. As a longtime lurker, I recognise you as a committed GC member of FWR and entitled to your view. As am I. Legal processes are (usually) very clear about what's in scope and what's not. This may constrain the court in what they are deciding on. As a result, there may be ramifications which could be much more far reaching than the 'simple' focus of the court case / verdict. I care deeply about the obvious ramifications in this case. I can also make a simple boring statement. It does not make me wrong.

I am obviously not a lawyer, or a regular poster or a brave woman. I just made a comment.

I think this is the link for those wishing to watch live s