Government on child sex abuse and rape gangs - new authority set up, gang enquiries dropped.

[ArabellaScott]

New child protection authority to be set up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/government-jess-phillips-home-office-inquiry-elon-musk-b2729520.html

“Building on the national child safeguarding review panel, the child protection authority will address one of IICSA’s central recommendations for providing national leadership and learning on child protection and safeguarding.
“Work to expand the role of the panel will begin immediately, and we will consult on developing the new authority this year.”
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'Baroness Casey’s three-month national audit on group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse is ongoing. It is building a comprehensive national picture of what is known about child sexual exploitation, identifying local and national trends, assessing the quality of data, looking at the ethnicity issues faced, for example, by cases involving Pakistani heritage gangs, and reviewing police and wider agency understanding. We are developing a new best practice framework to support local authorities that want to undertake victim-centred local inquiries or related work, drawing on the lessons from local independent inquiries such as those in Telford, Rotherham and Greater Manchester. We will publish the details next month.'

However:

Five enquiries into grooming gangs are dropped.

'Katie Lam MP, who responded to the statement, told GB News: “Children across Britain have been sexually tortured by gangs of men.
"We must confront the reality of these crimes and how so many people in positions of power let them go on so long.
“Local inquiries are not good enough — they can’t compel witnesses, they can’t look at themes across the country, and they can’t address national issues like deportation.
“Now the Government is watering them down even further. We won’t let them get away with it.”

'In January, the Home Secretary said that the Government would conduct five local inquiries into the rape gangs who have terrorised so many innocent children. More than three months since the Government announced those local inquiries, Tom Crowther KC, a barrister invited by the Home Office to help establish them, knows almost nothing about their progress, and neither do we. Why is the framework for local inquiries now being led by Ministers, rather than by independent voices such as Tom Crowther? Why is the £5 million set aside for inquiries no longer being allocated, but instead delivered on an “opt-in” basis? What do the Government intend to do about local leaders who say there is no need for an independent inquiry, as they do in Bradford and in Wales?'

https://www.gbnews.com/news/labour-grooming-gang-inquiries-plan-dropped-jess-phillips

Hansard:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-04-08/debates/4FDDC9A4-1AC6-4F34-8E6B-3DF6CC2C981A/TacklingChildSexualAbuse

Content warning: The most upsetting speech I've ever heard from Westminster. Details of CSA.

Not just grooming but Pakistanis and Bangladeshis marrying off young daughters to cousin men twice their age in villages over there and bringing them back as spouses. Nothing has been done about it and not likely to be done. An inquiry will just be another waste of public funds.

@endofthelinefinally

Im not sure if you know people affected/are from one of the many cities and towns affected.

It is clear that so many people knew. I guess most of the local people knew too. If girls are raped on such a mass scale it was bound to be discussed locally.

People who hid this need to face the law. Are Private prosecutions an option? So civil rather than criminal?

They need to start with those who committed the crimes and at the very top. If you are in a high position of power you have a high level of responsibility. So MPs, Mayors, Religious leaders, High up police members. High up council members.

Maggie Oliver has been talking about this for 20 years and is currently trying to raise funds for an enquiry. (It was easy to shut people down when we didn't have social media etc. I wouldn't trust any member of the government tbh. They only care about votes).
Ann Cryer was also trying to talk about this 20 years ago. I remember listening to her on the radio and realising that I knew people who had been talking about this locally and were being ignored and shut down. She was hounded out of her job in 2010 but was still trying to raise awareness back in 2019.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

Labour aren't united on this, here's hoping they KS can't hold out much longer.

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1910779949255979048?t=dO-HM-Z0tuYbvh42nAUcDg&s=19

'I am mystified by this.'

Labour Peer, Lord Glasman, has called for a national inquiry into rape gangs with powers of arrest, describing it as a 'no brainer,' when speaking to GB News.

@endofthelinefinally

just seen the fundraiser for legal fees for civil cases on SM. I’ll donate this evening when I finish work.

Explicit material in my next paragraph.

I remember the news reports. I read a lot in the papers at the time. I genuinely don’t remember reading about girls tongues being nailed to tables and being raped by baseball bats or 4 men at the exact same time . I now feel the reporting was sanitised by the press (who surely were in the court rooms).

I want these girls (now women in many cases) to get justice. We are meant to be a civilised nation surely every law abiding citizen wants them to get justice? If some would prefer to support rapists over victims for any reason we need to explore where we have gone wrong as a country.

Lord Glasman is correct.

https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1909902326556483832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1909902326556483832%7Ctwgr%5E886049dc28751078847124f8926b251fdd8a102f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejc.com%2Fopinion%2Fanalysis%2Flabour-scared-muslim-voters-grooming-gangs-qrrd1tpk

Just the sheer number of books about this is shocking.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/149943.British_Grooming_Rings

There needs to be an investigation in not only the rape gangs up and down the country but the level of coercion and abuse against Pakistani women and girls forced into marriages against their will, forced into covering up and generally not being permitted to lead their own lives. I personally know of women like this

Yes. It is absolutely medieval.

“this particular type of abuse” is child sexual exploitation, aka grooming gangs. There are no subtypes to it and when you look at all the data, Pakistani men represent approximately3%- no different from population level stats.

But oh yes once you disregard CSE grooming gangs that operate out of white/Christian/British organisations, then lookee here! Shocker! % of nonwhite, nonchristian grooming gangs goes up and looks disporportionate! (Once you manipulate the data to exclude entire segments of the population along white/christian/british nothing to see there like this btw, it is not statistically valid to declare disproportionate compared to the population)

So no, not case closed, there is NO evidence CSE grooming gangs are a particular problem with Pakistani men.

Have you not even considered the number of CSE rape gangs and victims that have to be excluded to raise 3% to 13%? To get to 13% of a lower total, all those victims really are not being counted. Your latching onto to 13% as a figure requires the exclusion and ignoring of victims…victims of churches, of sports organisations, of any/all institutions…well unless it’s a mosque or temple right? Let’s keep those figures in…

Look at any other statistic. Say we did this for child abuse stats looking at sex instead of race. Oh dear, this doesn’t fit our agenda that we have a women beating kids problem as men commit over half of all child abuse. I know, let’s exclude child abuse in the home, oh look, women commit 80% of child abuse outside the home.

That is exactly what Alexis did to the statistics. What is appalling is that you can’t even see how blatantly you are being manipulated.

Except to get to 13%, a hell of a lot of victims have to be excluded from consideration. Why don’t they count?

“theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 12/04/2025 10:03

3.9% of [group-based child abusers] were of Pakistani origin. The figure increases ... to 13.7% if you remove institutional groups, such as sports groups, schools and church-based group[s]...
So, if you remove from the count those groups least likely to include Pakistanis, they will increase as a proportion of the remaining count (and vice versa) .”

I am glad you see the sneaky statistical manipulation that was done. The proper way to determine if any demographic is disproportionately committing a crime, is to look at everyone who has done the crime, in this case everyone who has been convicted of the CSE grooming gang offence.

Excluding convicted CSE grooming gang offenders because, oh that was this dance school so doesn’t count, oh that was this church so doesn’t count, oh that was a network of social workers so doesn’t count, and specifically choosing a thread that is most likely to not have the demographic you want to demonise is unethical and suspect.

@BeLemonNow
”There's a problem both with the police and certain area Asian grooming gangs. It's not one or the other. They wouldn't have succeeded if not for the willingness of authorities to look the other way, as well as social workers etc.”

Well this is the other angle - that the gangs would have been caught sooner if police hadn’t been afraid to be called racists. Again this isn’t an “Asian gang” problem it is a policing problem, so I object to you framing the issue as such.

There also isn’t much evidence that the police really held back over fears of being called racist. They don’t have a good track record at prosecuting ANY grooming gangs in a timely fashion. 97% of grooming gangs are not Pakistani, and it’s not like the police are Johnny on the spot listening to victims and arresting gang rapists that aren’t Pakistani.

https://news.sky.com/story/how-did-one-of-britains-most-shocking-paedophile-rings-get-away-with-it-for-so-long-13344456

@Skiol
“Figures from the police database show where ethnicity is recorded, that in the first three quarters of 2024 - 85% of group-based child abusers were white, while 3.9% were of Pakistani origin. The figure increases for Pakistani offenders to 13.7% if you remove institutional groups, such as sports groups, schools and church-based group offenders, and group child abuse committed in a family setting.”

So, if we apply this to 2023 data for CSE - grooming gangs

There were 717 offences.
3.9% = 28 Pakistani rapists
85% = 610 white rapists

to artificially inflate the % of Pakistani, they’ve decided to ignore all the rapists and victims from secular and Christian institutions.

to get 3.9% to 13.7% you would need to ignore 513 rapists and at least as many victims. (28 is 13.7% of 204)

That is at least 513 girls not being counted, 72% of the full total of victims have to be ignored to prop up the fallacy that this is a Pakistani men, oh sorry “culture” problem.

It’s just as strong in British culture and we can’t solve grooming gangs by focussing on Pakistani culture or men. They are literally being scapegoated for what is an endemic piece of misogyny in British culture that has been around for centuries.

Are really on the side of victims if only the victims of Pakistani men count to you? You want to focus on 28 rapists, by excluding over 500 in your assessment of how do we stop all grooming gangs?

Or are you being manipulated into protecting most white rapists by participating in this right wing farce of its not us, it’s the brown Muslim immigrant that has a problem with raping children.

It’s all men, and it’s all happening in Britain. We need to take responsibility for our own culture and country and not scapegoat whoever is other.

Forgot my 2023 data chart

It’s all men, and it’s all happening in Britain. We need to take responsibility for our own culture and country and not scapegoat whoever is other.

Our own culture and country: are these 'brown Muslim' men not part of our culture and country? Bit racist, no?

This is such DARVO nonsense. There is a problem with street grooming of vulnerable girls in Pakistani communities, going back years (not only white girls, but mostly). There is a problem with the authorities’ response to it. This needs to be considered on its own merits, and dealt with in the most appropriate way. Not the way you feel is politically correct.

Yes they are part of our culture. I never implied otherwise.

Most crimes of this nature don’t actually have the perpetrators’ ethnicity recorded. These grooming/rape gangs are their own phenomenon, it does no good at all to pretend they’re not significant.

I don’t give a shit about political correctness. I go by evidence and fact.
The problem of grooming gangs is everywhere, it’s not just in Pakistani communities and it isn’t even disproportionately in them.

I agree, so why exclude 72% of the grooming gang crimes to get a fake 13.7% statistic to fuel a myth about Pakistanis?

Edit: ethnicity wasn’t recorded for historic cases. They have been recorded for recent cases, certainly for all the 2023 and 2024 ones.

I have zero time for people who pretend that organised grooming gangs of men abusing and raping children are something that can be handwaved away.

It’s a separate phenomenon. The government will ignore it, like you think is appropriate, at their peril. If you want Reform in government, this is the best way to get it.

Same here. It can’t be ignored or handwaved away, which is why the Government needs to implement the recommendations from the 2015 national enquiry. Having yet another enquiry just buys them another decade of doing fuck all.

I have zero time for people who pretend that another enquiry is doing something, it’s not.

I have zero time for people who think the way to tackle grooming gangs is to go after Pakistani men/culture when there is no evidence this is a cause of grooming gangs existing or getting away with their crimes for too long.

I fully agree they should implement their lame recommendations, but I don’t feel the enquiry is adequate. There needs to be a full enquiry of the whole phenomenon going back decades.