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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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423 replies

DialSquare · 08/04/2025 14:57

I love JKR!

Hahahaha!!!!
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suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 20:44

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:40

The language exists and has done for a long time.

‘I don’t want to/I’m not interested’, or ‘no’. No is a complete sentence as they say round these parts. Doesn’t equate to delegitimising such people, as you put it.

It's not a complete sentence when you have Andrew Tates operating in this world and influencing young men (and some women unfortunately ) to think that coercion is acceptable and consent is optional.

Visibility of asexuality legitimises refusal of unwanted sexual relationships at a time when this is presently under attack.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:44

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 08/04/2025 20:42

So asexual people can’t use the term asexual because they should just say no?

If that’s what you’ve taken from my posts then I’m viewing that as a you problem.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:45

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 20:44

It's not a complete sentence when you have Andrew Tates operating in this world and influencing young men (and some women unfortunately ) to think that coercion is acceptable and consent is optional.

Visibility of asexuality legitimises refusal of unwanted sexual relationships at a time when this is presently under attack.

And you think describing oneself, sorry - visibility - as asexual is going to combat the above. Christ.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 08/04/2025 20:48

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 20:43

Because a day of visibility is going to stop that 🙄

What you’re describing is violence, murder and rape - primarily of women, of course. That should be the focus for wider societal change.

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I didn’t say it would that did I?

I said it’s ridiculous to act like asexual people don’t suffer in parts of the world especially where being gay isn’t legal.

I was responding to that post, not just inventing one.

murasaki · 08/04/2025 20:49

So people who describe themselves as asexual are exempt from coercion and people who like sex are fair game for coercion? Christ on a bike.

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 20:52

murasaki · 08/04/2025 20:49

So people who describe themselves as asexual are exempt from coercion and people who like sex are fair game for coercion? Christ on a bike.

It would appear so.

And rather than centring the women (because it’s primarily women) who are murdered, raped and violently assaulted (overwhelmingly by men), the focus is on a day of visibility for a label.

Fuck that.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:54

Don’t worry everyone, we’ve cracked it with the Andrew Tate arseholes of the world. It doesn’t matter if we’re into women instead, prefer men over 50 who cycle as a hobby or - take one look at Andrew Tate and your vagina sews itself shut like mine does as a reason to decline, we just need to say we’re asexual to describe not wanting to sleep with such ilk and all will be accepted and solved.

No One Needs A Reason.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 20:54

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:45

And you think describing oneself, sorry - visibility - as asexual is going to combat the above. Christ.

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Yes of course, it is one of many potential tools to help young people to assert their right to refuse sexual relationships.

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 20:55

You haven’t got a clue.

MarieDeGournay · 08/04/2025 20:57

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 08/04/2025 20:21

Why do people equate this day with making it someone’s identity?

And what does making asexuality or being gay your identity look like?

There are so many days that have no relevance to me but I’m not upset about them.

Why is asexual day an issue? Why is pride month an issue?

If you’re not gay or asexual just get on with your day.

Not everything has to be for you.

Who you want to have sex with shouldn't be an issue at all, as long as it's consensual and legal; ditto not wanting to have sex with anyone.

But haven't you noticed - that's not the world we live in. Everything is an issue. Large sums of money are spent on flags and paint and lanyards and train liveries and all sorts of bells and whistles. Entire new laws have been enacted. Pride month excludes lesbians. Language has been artificially manipulated. Words have had their meaning altered so they can also mean the opposite.
There's a lot going on out there.

'Not everything has to be for you' indeed; but we are not immune to everything either.

murasaki · 08/04/2025 20:58

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 20:54

Don’t worry everyone, we’ve cracked it with the Andrew Tate arseholes of the world. It doesn’t matter if we’re into women instead, prefer men over 50 who cycle as a hobby or - take one look at Andrew Tate and your vagina sews itself shut like mine does as a reason to decline, we just need to say we’re asexual to describe not wanting to sleep with such ilk and all will be accepted and solved.

No One Needs A Reason.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

But miss, i was told off for saying I was asexual on this very thread just this afternoon!

Apparently I wasn't labelling myself seriously enough.

TempestTost · 08/04/2025 20:58

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 08/04/2025 17:05

Her wording may not have been ideal but I don't have a problem with mocking an "Asexual day of visibility".

Plenty of people aren't interested in sex for a variety of reasons. Like a previous poster mentioned, many post menopausal women don't want sex. People who take some SSRIs or blood pressure medications have absolutely no interest in sex.

But to make a single characteristic into an identity that requires a day of visibility is kind of wanky. Kind of like when vegans go on about being vegan or people who do cross fit can't shut up about cross fit.

What's next? "Outie navel Day of Visibility"? "Can't pull off a hat day of remembrance"?

Honestly though, I think it's a direct result of people making being gay or lesbian into a whole hog identity. So, you have people seeing these huge celebrations and a big deal being made of sexuality, and most of what Stonewall and Pride do are about identity rather than lobbying, and they think, so what is my sexuality then?

Of course most gay and lesbian people are not like that, at least ime. But there is a sizable group who seem to make it their whole identity, their whole social world, their whole politics. And I think the people who get into the asexual identity are also people looking for something to hang their sense of self on.

HobnobsChoice · 08/04/2025 21:00

It feels a little bit like the "respectable married woman" idea where a rape or sexual assault against that kind of woman was more distressing than it was for a woman of low moral values or whatever shit. Sexual pressure or coercion or rape or assault are shit for anyone who experiences them. Being asexual doesn't make it more outrageous or distressing or rape more rapey than someone who has sexual feelings but didn't consent.

LucyMonth · 08/04/2025 21:02

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/04/2025 21:05

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 19:07

We need a day of visibility for women who are utterly fed up of pointless days of visibility.

What we definitely need is a day of visibility and respect for people of biologically female body.

A day when we can speak openly about our experiences of being female, our sadness at the deep history of oppression, violence, rape, othering, dehumanisation and marginalisation that people of biologically female body have suffered, the labour unpaid, the children taken against our will or left with us without support, and our anger that so much of this still happens today, and have our voices heard and accepted and respected without whataboutery or explaining why it wasn't because we were female actually but because of something we said or did or didn't do or cheap jokes at our expense.

Will we be allowed that? One day to centre people of female body? In a world where "progressive" means we are not even allowed to have a name that means us and only us?

Will we fucking chuff!

LucyMonth · 08/04/2025 21:07

& did the average person even know it was “Asexuality Visibility Day” until JK tweeted about it? Did anybody give a shit? Oh but now she’s tweeted and we know so we can get angry about something we didn’t know was happening until 5 minutes ago. The day could have passed entirely unremarked upon because no one is taking it seriously but oh no…we can’t miss an opportunity for outrage about something of zero consequence!

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 21:08

Hear hear @FlirtsWithRhinos 👏

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:09

murasaki · 08/04/2025 20:49

So people who describe themselves as asexual are exempt from coercion and people who like sex are fair game for coercion? Christ on a bike.

No.

Suggest you take a logic class.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 21:09

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:09

No.

Suggest you take a logic class.

Suggest you take your own advice.

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:11

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 21:09

Suggest you take your own advice.

I'm not the one arriving at a conclusion that does not follow logically from its premises.

SirChenjins · 08/04/2025 21:15

No, you’re the one throwing out the illogicality.

murasaki · 08/04/2025 21:17

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:09

No.

Suggest you take a logic class.

I quite reasonably made an inference from your statement as you didn't define your point clearly.

And as for logic, come back to me when you've spent a year reading the pre Socratics in Greek. And Socrates.

All of which is irrelevant, I stand by what I inferred from your post.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/04/2025 21:18

suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:11

I'm not the one arriving at a conclusion that does not follow logically from its premises.

That’s debatable I guess.

DialSquare · 08/04/2025 21:22

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Ooohhh, get you.

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suggestionsplease1 · 08/04/2025 21:22

murasaki · 08/04/2025 21:17

I quite reasonably made an inference from your statement as you didn't define your point clearly.

And as for logic, come back to me when you've spent a year reading the pre Socratics in Greek. And Socrates.

All of which is irrelevant, I stand by what I inferred from your post.

Haha, you are showing yourself up completely to anyone who has actually studied philosophy 😂