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Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 11:46

Datun · 05/04/2025 11:31

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

If you take puberty blockers, and then cross sex hormones, how long can you take them for, before your chance of puberty resuming is zero.

I know there are permanent side effects, like facial hair for women. But for either sex, if they stopped taking the wrong sex hormone, would their natural puberty resume?

And if it doesn't, will taking the correct sex hormone help it?

I'm sure I've read that there was a window of opportunity for the resumption of puberty, but I can't find the actual time limit.

i'm not talking about adults, I'm talking about children who are blocked at tanner stage two.

i've tried to google it, but I'm not coming up with anything.

If you take puberty blockers, and then cross sex hormones, how long can you take them for, before your chance of puberty resuming is zero.

No one really knows, which is part of the problem. The study above posted by nolongersurprised is one of the few to look into this. It suggests that once that testicular tissue is damaged it won’t respond even if the brain hormones resume. But the concern is that the cells that produce the brain hormones gradually deteriorate.

So the answer is:

After one year, reasonable chance, if the testicular tissue isn’t damaged.
After ten years, zero chance.

What isn’t clear is how linear or how much of a sliding scale the line is between those two points.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 11:50

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 11:36

And Eresh has explained her intentions.

Do you mean that people should dismiss her intentions but believe your own explanations for your posts? Seems rather hypocritical.

Doesn’t it just. Anyway, not indulging their nonsense any further on this.

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 11:52

Datun · 05/04/2025 11:31

Does anyone know the answer to this question?

If you take puberty blockers, and then cross sex hormones, how long can you take them for, before your chance of puberty resuming is zero.

I know there are permanent side effects, like facial hair for women. But for either sex, if they stopped taking the wrong sex hormone, would their natural puberty resume?

And if it doesn't, will taking the correct sex hormone help it?

I'm sure I've read that there was a window of opportunity for the resumption of puberty, but I can't find the actual time limit.

i'm not talking about adults, I'm talking about children who are blocked at tanner stage two.

i've tried to google it, but I'm not coming up with anything.

I have tried to look for studies as well, but there’s none.

Whilst googling I found a Reddit post from a young man who’d had the PB/oestrogen combo as a child and who said he hadn’t had any development of his penis. He said that he now had a sexual partner and had been off oestrogen for 18 months because he wanted to experience erections but nothing had happened yet.

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 11:54

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 11:26

Not just that. Planned Parenthood purport to help women’s health and women’s reproductive health. But they put thousands of women on testosterone each year. 94% of women on testosterone have some form of pelvic floor dysfunction, including high rates of incontinence, flatal and urinary, dyspareunia, and so on. They deliberately damage women’s reproductive health. Do they fix those problems themselves, creating a circular economy of healthcare? I wonder what they do with the problems they cause but can’t fix. Who fixes those women at that point?

This is sadly true and not getting much attention.

And it doesn't right itself when testosterone is stopped. My cousins's child, who transitioned and then detransitioned, is suffering from significant pain issues and other problems with vaginal health, several years after stopping T. No one seems to be able to tell her if these symptoms will be permanent or can do much to help her. I think she's almost afraid to ask about her fertility.

She's not in the US, but just to highlight, the health issues arising from taking cross sex hormones, don't seem to be a priority for the medical profession. And taking testosterone seems to be much more disruptive to the female body than taking Estrogen is to the male body.

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 11:56

After one year, reasonable chance, if the testicular tissue isn’t damaged.
After ten years, zero chance

IIRC, the full Mayo clinic article noted that one boy had severe testicular atrophy/cell damage after only 6 months of blockers. So there is probably a lot of individual variation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 11:56

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 11:54

This is sadly true and not getting much attention.

And it doesn't right itself when testosterone is stopped. My cousins's child, who transitioned and then detransitioned, is suffering from significant pain issues and other problems with vaginal health, several years after stopping T. No one seems to be able to tell her if these symptoms will be permanent or can do much to help her. I think she's almost afraid to ask about her fertility.

She's not in the US, but just to highlight, the health issues arising from taking cross sex hormones, don't seem to be a priority for the medical profession. And taking testosterone seems to be much more disruptive to the female body than taking Estrogen is to the male body.

That’s incredibly sad, the genderist doctors don’t care, unless they can charge for more treatment. They need to face legal consequences.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 12:01

94% of women on testosterone have some form of pelvic floor dysfunction, including high rates of incontinence, flatal and urinary, dyspareunia, and so on. They deliberately damage women’s reproductive health. Do they fix those problems themselves, creating a circular economy of healthcare? I wonder what they do with the problems they cause but can’t fix. Who fixes those women at that point?

This point is really important. It cannot be said enough.

(By the way, notbad, do you have a good link for an in-depth list of the health risks to female bodies for the exogenous testosterone doses please? I can never find something quickly and I would love to stash a link for later.)

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 12:03

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 12:01

94% of women on testosterone have some form of pelvic floor dysfunction, including high rates of incontinence, flatal and urinary, dyspareunia, and so on. They deliberately damage women’s reproductive health. Do they fix those problems themselves, creating a circular economy of healthcare? I wonder what they do with the problems they cause but can’t fix. Who fixes those women at that point?

This point is really important. It cannot be said enough.

(By the way, notbad, do you have a good link for an in-depth list of the health risks to female bodies for the exogenous testosterone doses please? I can never find something quickly and I would love to stash a link for later.)

I’ll find a good one and post it when I get the chance.

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 12:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 11:56

That’s incredibly sad, the genderist doctors don’t care, unless they can charge for more treatment. They need to face legal consequences.

It's awful, my heart breaks for her.

But none of these doctors will face consequences. They'll hide behind Tavistock advice and WPATH guidelines, even though the people drafting these absolutely knew that they were harming children.

And people wonder why trust has been decimated? The reasons are right there. Look at Dr Joanna Olsen suppressing her study results because they didn't affirm the cause. These people are absolutely shameless.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 12:07

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 12:03

I’ll find a good one and post it when I get the chance.

You beauty!!! You know I lurve links!! Thank you for looking.

SilverDapples · 05/04/2025 12:09

Slothtoes · 05/04/2025 11:46

Of course I know that. No child should have their fertility and sexual function removed- and no young adult either.

It’s not safe for supporters of girls and women’s rights to ignore the bigger picture of the devastation to women’s rights in total that is going on, exemplified in this dropping funding to Planned Parenthood. Because in lots of parts of the U.S. It will mean no access to abortion and contraception for some girls and women. That’s a direct risk to health and life.

The DEI stuff that’s been stopped by Trump will include important issues about maternity rights, for example, too. The Trump opposition to all these things are all interconnected by a common thread of misogyny.

The TRA movement is a men’s sexual rights and sexual access campaign coming from patriarchy. It’s just also happening that the old school conventional Patriarchy is having its moment again, now so women are losing on an even bigger scale.

Trump’s cuts to overseas aid for domestic and overseas agencies that provide abortion or give information about abortion isn’t because they also offer gender identity drugs. It’s because they help women and girls and the Trump administration is actively anti abortion. White House fact sheet below.

www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-enforces-overwhelmingly-popular-demand-to-stop-taxpayer-funding-of-abortion/

This is the crux of the issue and what the thread is about but people have gone off piste on PBs as usual.

Thank you for this, it's unsurprising that everyone is ignoring it and plowing on with the PB blocker debate.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 11:42

Stop lying about my posts @MessinaBloom- you do not know better than me what I was saying.

You know, it’s easy to clear things like this up. You can just apologise for making someone else feel bloody awful, instead of persisting with telling them that they’re lying.

SilverDapples · 05/04/2025 12:15

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MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:16

@Helleofabore

And Eresh has explained her intentions.
Do you mean that people should dismiss her intentions but believe your own explanations for your posts? Seems rather hypocritical.

I don’t accept her intentions, no. You don’t get to imply child abuse. That’s a whole other level.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:21

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This would be such a better place to discuss issues is we could - discuss without constant sniping.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 12:24

I won’t be apologising for anything because I haven’t done anything wrong. You can apologise for unfairly smearing me and other women on this board based on your incorrect interpretation of their position if you like @MessinaBloombut I’m not going to engage with you any further on it. Feel free to ignore all of my posts challenging your lack of understanding of the harms of puberty blockers.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 12:25

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 10:24

This study states very clearly that the male people were over 18 years old. However, as an academic, can you please explain the relevance of this study?

Just plopping a link down with no explanation of the relevance, or pointing out the relevant sections doesn't strengthen your argument.

This article seems to be irrelevant to the discussion, but since you are an academic, perhaps you are seeing something in this article that I don't. Could you please clarify why this article is relevant.

While you are here though messinabloom could you please explain the relevance of the study that you posted?

As in the relevance to puberty blockers in children on future fertility which was the point under discussion, if I remember correctly. I am keen to understand why you felt it was relevant.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 12:27

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:21

This would be such a better place to discuss issues is we could - discuss without constant sniping.

Sniping like “you people”, “pathetic” “stop frothing” for instance. All quotes from you about other women on this board. Practice what you preach please. Now I really am done.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 12:35

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Perhaps you’d like to spell out how it’s “happened here”. And don’t call us “the ladies”, please, it’s really quite patronising.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 12:35

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 12:05

It's awful, my heart breaks for her.

But none of these doctors will face consequences. They'll hide behind Tavistock advice and WPATH guidelines, even though the people drafting these absolutely knew that they were harming children.

And people wonder why trust has been decimated? The reasons are right there. Look at Dr Joanna Olsen suppressing her study results because they didn't affirm the cause. These people are absolutely shameless.

Agreed, they are.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/04/2025 12:43

MessinaBloom · 03/04/2025 10:42

I’m fascinated by the continued insistence of posters’ use of the word ‘children’ in this context. Any young person accessing PP for puberty blockers would be at least 16 years old and it isn’t done without parental knowledge. PBs are expensive, are sometimes delivered via injection and cause complex hormonal interplays in the body, requiring oversight by a team of specialists.

No ‘children’ use PP services. Young people and women do, though, and they are often the most vulnerable and marginalised in society. Why should they bear the brunt of this?

This is a lengthy thread but as far as I can see, following a complicated discussion about women's rights versus those of children, you claimed that no children use PP services - only "young people and women".
You later responded at 13.14 in response to NotBadConsidering's post pointing out that PP's websites stated they offer services to children with and without their parents & that they offer pbs to children entering puberty by saying

"Please stop using the word “children”.

You can't be surprised that posters rigorously challenge the idea that nobody should speak about children in response to contraception /abortion / gender identity issues. This particular aspect of this lengthy thread seems to have stemmed from your demands that women stop speaking about children. Women aren't going to be silenced from appropriately using the word children or pointing out the depressing history of where so many of these demands stem from in the UK.

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MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:56

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/04/2025 12:43

This is a lengthy thread but as far as I can see, following a complicated discussion about women's rights versus those of children, you claimed that no children use PP services - only "young people and women".
You later responded at 13.14 in response to NotBadConsidering's post pointing out that PP's websites stated they offer services to children with and without their parents & that they offer pbs to children entering puberty by saying

"Please stop using the word “children”.

You can't be surprised that posters rigorously challenge the idea that nobody should speak about children in response to contraception /abortion / gender identity issues. This particular aspect of this lengthy thread seems to have stemmed from your demands that women stop speaking about children. Women aren't going to be silenced from appropriately using the word children or pointing out the depressing history of where so many of these demands stem from in the UK.

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That summary does leave out a fair amount, but I do agree that posters have good reason for their concern. It was certainly played up a great deal by certain posters, and that didn’t help. However, I don’t agree that is a good enough reason to take it as far as it has - accusing a fellow poster of MN of 22 years or so (implying or otherwise) of child molestation. That is gross. It has happened before so this is a recurring issue with this board.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 12:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 12:27

Sniping like “you people”, “pathetic” “stop frothing” for instance. All quotes from you about other women on this board. Practice what you preach please. Now I really am done.

Great. So although I’m pushed against, I can’t push back? So, that’s abusive.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 13:08

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11300415/amp/Planned-Parenthood-fire-cartoon-ad-pushes-puberty-blockers.html

The issue is compounded by Planned Parenthood’s communication with children outside what their supposed age range for being accepted as a client. The ethics of this is something to be behold.

Particularly when you note the very many complaints against them now for their lack of care. Even if this below has been posted before, the descriptions of groups of ‘teen girls’ coming into Planned Parenthood is incredibly concerning. And that some clinics have untrained ‘counsellors’ to be able to falsify that requirement. But also that those writing the prescritions also seem so poorly trained in the field.

www.thetruthfairy.info/p/inside-planned-parenthoods-gender?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Planned Parenthood under fire for ad that pushes puberty blockers

Planned Parenthood is receiving backlash for an ad that teaches teenagers different ways of delaying puberty including the use of puberty blockers, which can halt voice deepening and menstrual cycles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11300415/amp/Planned-Parenthood-fire-cartoon-ad-pushes-puberty-blockers.html

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 13:11

"Please stop using the word “children”.

If a person is under 18, I believe that they are still considered children. It is an accurate description.