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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 10:27

Oh. While I was searching for the relevance in the article, I see several posters have already covered this.

Of course, if a male person has also had their testes removed as part of their chosen modification for gender identity, there is another rather glaring irreversible element.

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:27

Besides, once testosterone is ceased (plus any cross-sex hormones) menstruation commonly recommences

”Commonly” is doing heavy lifting here and - again- a girl who is blocked at Tanner stage 2 will not have menstruation restarted when testosterone stopped. Puberty will have been blocked years before the age of first menarche.

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 10:28

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 10:21

Nine adult men went on oestrogen then came off oestrogen after a while and got their sperm production back. Somehow this is evidence that puberty blockers given to children aren’t rendered sterile or infertile. Wild eh?

This is one of the problems with organisations like PP with a link posted earlier in the thread. Gender zealots absolutely refuse to be honest about what they do and the implications of that, so they hide it behind “other services” and claim “no harm is being done”. Deep down they know they’re harming children, but they believe it’s worth it if the child gets what they want for their nebulous “innate gender identity”.

And this is why, unfortunately, there is so little trust in the organisation to implement honest reform. It's little wonder that going 'scorched earth' strikes some people as the only way forward.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 10:30

I agree. I really don’t want the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater, but I do want the bathwater to be thrown out.

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 10:31

There has been a LOT of dishonest references to Puberty Blockers as a 'pause button' in the press and, more disgracefully, medical literature.

Since Cass, this has been mostly corrected in nhs material, but it seems to be still used outside of the UK, despite the medical profession knowing how dangerously misleading it is.

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:32

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 10:27

Oh. While I was searching for the relevance in the article, I see several posters have already covered this.

Of course, if a male person has also had their testes removed as part of their chosen modification for gender identity, there is another rather glaring irreversible element.

I had to delurk because I couldn’t believe the degree of ignorance!

I suppose that poster all the way through the thread has struggled to differentiate between children and adults 🤷‍♀️

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 10:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 10:30

I agree. I really don’t want the baby to be thrown out with the bathwater, but I do want the bathwater to be thrown out.

True - and as discussed upthread, putting the baby into this particular bath was calculating and deliberate.

Why was 'gender affirming care' bucketed in with reproductive health in the first place? To create situations exactly like this, where activists argue you can't have one without the other.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 10:37

Exactly @TheKeatingFive

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/04/2025 10:38

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 09:21

Ah. “This is what TRAs do so it’s okay to do it to you, in case you are one. Soz if you aren’t and we just called you a peadophile! Here’s some helpful links for you!”

This really isn't a rational response to that comment but you do you and all that...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 10:39

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 10:31

There has been a LOT of dishonest references to Puberty Blockers as a 'pause button' in the press and, more disgracefully, medical literature.

Since Cass, this has been mostly corrected in nhs material, but it seems to be still used outside of the UK, despite the medical profession knowing how dangerously misleading it is.

I think the pp is not in the UK so maybe this is why.

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 10:46

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:32

I had to delurk because I couldn’t believe the degree of ignorance!

I suppose that poster all the way through the thread has struggled to differentiate between children and adults 🤷‍♀️

It’s not ignorance.

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:51

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 10:46

It’s not ignorance.

It might be. If you’re been indoctrinated to believe that blockers are a “fully reversible pause”, even when followed by cross-sex hormones then you could perhaps, extrapolate return of function in sexually mature men to sexually immature children.

Maybe.

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 10:53

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:12

But this is a study of men who went through a male puberty and then took cross sex hormones. Not someone who was puberty blocked first

A male child who is blocked at tanner stage 2 (about 12 years for boys) and then placed on cross sex hormones will NEVER make sperm or have an orgasm. They will have been chemically castrated.

As for girls - no one really knows? There’s been discussion around removing the immature ovarian tissue prior to blockers and testosterone but it’s unknown whether those undeveloped eggs can be coaxed in a lab into maturity.

Given that the freezing of eggs has around a 2% success rate, I suspect the freezing of ovarian tissue will have an even lower likelihood of success, possibly in the 'science fiction and fantasy' range of results.

See also 'uterine transplants' for men who identify as women. This is genuinely suggested as a possible way to address sterility caused by 'gender affirming' care in children, despite of course a man carrying and birthing a child never having happened in the history of the world, ever.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6626312/

Fertility concerns of the transgender patient - PMC

Transgender individuals who undergo gender-affirming medical or surgical therapies are at risk for infertility. Suppression of puberty with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist analogs (GnRHa) in the pediatric transgender patient can pause the ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6626312/

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 10:54

That article, by the by, starts right off the bat with this assertion:

'Suppression of puberty with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist analogs (GnRHa) in the pediatric transgender patient can pause the maturation of germ cells, and thus, affect fertility potential'

It's a very 'affirmative' article.

Astonishing that anyone tries to assert that puberty blockers don't have an effect on fertility.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 10:58

nolongersurprised · 05/04/2025 10:32

I had to delurk because I couldn’t believe the degree of ignorance!

I suppose that poster all the way through the thread has struggled to differentiate between children and adults 🤷‍♀️

I felt for a moment that we had cycled back years with this original claim back on page 29 "Those 10-18 years old are just walking in to PP by themselves and walking out sterilised (and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree)"

But I am now waiting for the clarification because the person who posted it has said they are an academic.

So, there really must be something there surely? Considering they were very clear that they would not consider the words of a gender clinician as supporting the claim that TheGentleOpalMember posted because it was not a study only an interview.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/04/2025 10:59

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 10:35

True - and as discussed upthread, putting the baby into this particular bath was calculating and deliberate.

Why was 'gender affirming care' bucketed in with reproductive health in the first place? To create situations exactly like this, where activists argue you can't have one without the other.

TRAs are very good at parasitising organisations. They shoehorned themselves into the LGB movement & have done the same with PP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2025 11:00

Indeed.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 11:01

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 10:53

Given that the freezing of eggs has around a 2% success rate, I suspect the freezing of ovarian tissue will have an even lower likelihood of success, possibly in the 'science fiction and fantasy' range of results.

See also 'uterine transplants' for men who identify as women. This is genuinely suggested as a possible way to address sterility caused by 'gender affirming' care in children, despite of course a man carrying and birthing a child never having happened in the history of the world, ever.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6626312/

Thanks, I shall add this one to my list.

I mean, this is quite clear.

"Testosterone therapy in transgender men can suppress ovulation and alter ovarian histology, while estrogen therapy in transgender women can lead to impaired spermatogenesis and testicular atrophy."

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 11:02

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 09:34

Making stuff up and putting it in inverted commas is not making a convincing argument.

That’s what you did, though. You’d feel exactly the same if it happened to you.

It was @PippistrelleBat that made the original accusation (that was deleted). Eresh followed that with the next post that’s been copied on the thread a few times and people seem to think is very innocent. It isn’t.

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 11:03

NotBadConsidering · 05/04/2025 10:46

It’s not ignorance.

It's almost like we need new language to describe it. It IS ignorance, sort of, but coming from a position of not wanting to investigate because they fear what they'll find, and/or a willing suspension of disbelief because 'their side' will be right.

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 11:03

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 11:02

That’s what you did, though. You’d feel exactly the same if it happened to you.

It was @PippistrelleBat that made the original accusation (that was deleted). Eresh followed that with the next post that’s been copied on the thread a few times and people seem to think is very innocent. It isn’t.

I did what?!

TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2025 11:04

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/04/2025 10:59

TRAs are very good at parasitising organisations. They shoehorned themselves into the LGB movement & have done the same with PP.

Exactly. That is the strategy. It's right there in the Denton document, plain as day.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 11:06

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 10:54

That article, by the by, starts right off the bat with this assertion:

'Suppression of puberty with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist analogs (GnRHa) in the pediatric transgender patient can pause the maturation of germ cells, and thus, affect fertility potential'

It's a very 'affirmative' article.

Astonishing that anyone tries to assert that puberty blockers don't have an effect on fertility.

Astonishing that you can’t seem to read.

Please, read properly. I have said that yes, PBs do affect fertility to a degree - males more than females.

ArabellaScott · 05/04/2025 11:08

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 11:06

Astonishing that you can’t seem to read.

Please, read properly. I have said that yes, PBs do affect fertility to a degree - males more than females.

Messina, ffs, I wasn't talking about YOU! God save us. This thread is wide ranging and includes lots of people with lots of topics and different views. People are discussing the issues. We are not on the whole personalising the whole bloody thing.

Helleofabore · 05/04/2025 11:09

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 11:02

That’s what you did, though. You’d feel exactly the same if it happened to you.

It was @PippistrelleBat that made the original accusation (that was deleted). Eresh followed that with the next post that’s been copied on the thread a few times and people seem to think is very innocent. It isn’t.

"Eresh followed that with the next post that’s been copied on the thread a few times and people seem to think is very innocent. It isn’t."

This does not explain how Eresh's post targets you or doesn't say what she has stated.