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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:05

TheKeatingFive · 04/04/2025 11:29

Let's not forget that the TRA side have been fiendishly clever in wrapping their cause up with genuinely valuable and important initiatives - Gay/lesbian rights, reproductive rights.

So you can't be seen to be fighting against TRA over reach, without negative impact on important causes that no one wants to be compromised.

100%.

And you have to counter the Queer Theory ideology that children don’t exist as an age group.

So 1) “there’s no “children’ being harmed, what are you talking about? They’re humans who can make their own decisions.”

Followed by 2) “why would you risk hurting the group you support just because you don’t want said humans to make their own decisions?”

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:07

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 11:59

Touched a nerve I see!

I've been here a while. I name change often.

Ok sure. Then you have no excuse for misreading things then.

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 12:09

TheKeatingFive · 04/04/2025 11:21

On the one hand I think you're absolutely right with this, but on the other I can see why there would be little trust in PP to comply. There are so many activists in these organisations now and they seem adept at finding ways to carry on with their mission regardless.

I think a better solution would have been to not shut anything down until an alternative organisation was ready to go.

I agree that an alternative should have been set up first if PP HAD to go.

There is simply no defence for cutting women's healthcare services in a mission against DEI. He absolutely could have done one without the other, he is the president.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:14

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 11:59

Touched a nerve I see!

I've been here a while. I name change often.

You’re quite right, though, that the fact that it is Trump’s action to cut the funding is rarely mentioned except in triumph. The other factor not acknowledged is parents. Parents do need to consent to the puberty suppression treatments, but you wouldn’t know it by reading this thread. Those 10-18 years old are just walking in to PP by themselves and walking out sterilised (and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree).

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 12:16

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:07

Ok sure. Then you have no excuse for misreading things then.

Yep. Struck a nerve.

I can read perfectly well, all of your posts are going down the 'well if PP hadn't started doing genderwoo treatment they wouldn't be losing their funding' avenue rather than the logical approach of the president could absolutely stop funding for gender services but continue to fund PP or just dictate that the funding will remain the same but gender treatments must stop.

It's not PP fault that the president has cut funding to womens health services. It is the presidents. Beige chose to do it, and he could easily have chosen not to. Like it's not the democrats fault for not protecting abortion that abortion rights were lost. It's the republicans fault for taking them away. It's honestly a similar mindset to victim blaming.

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 12:18

What happens to the children already in treatment drug wise. Is it safe to go cold turkey?

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:18

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:05

100%.

And you have to counter the Queer Theory ideology that children don’t exist as an age group.

So 1) “there’s no “children’ being harmed, what are you talking about? They’re humans who can make their own decisions.”

Followed by 2) “why would you risk hurting the group you support just because you don’t want said humans to make their own decisions?”

Can’t help yourselves, can you?

spannasaurus · 04/04/2025 12:24

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:14

You’re quite right, though, that the fact that it is Trump’s action to cut the funding is rarely mentioned except in triumph. The other factor not acknowledged is parents. Parents do need to consent to the puberty suppression treatments, but you wouldn’t know it by reading this thread. Those 10-18 years old are just walking in to PP by themselves and walking out sterilised (and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree).

Are the parents really giving informed consent if they are being told that their child will kill themselves if they don't get "gender affirming care" or if they are being incorrectly told that the treatments are fully reversible

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/04/2025 12:25

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 01:06

This is disgusting. To say such things against other women in an attempt to stop them speaking is shameful.

Good lord 😒

i am happy for everyone to post whether i agree with their posts, its the only way to learn moving forward

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 04/04/2025 12:26

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 11:19

Hello @SilverDapples , welcome to Mumsnet, thank you for making your first post here. I suggest you take a bit more time to read posts more thoroughly, because I haven’t said anything like that. The issues you describe are discussed earlier in the thread. Have a good day!

Oh, it's the "welcome to Mumsnet" jibe when someone doesn't know how to respond or wants to ignore what's being said, not seen that one for a while.
Usually to insinuate that a poster is "plopping by" or is some new nefarious TRA person from somewhere else to discredit what they're saying. 🙄

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:26

Firstly, no funding has been cut. The funding is under review.

Second, my posts have pointed out how gender treatments have opened up organisations like PP to a different line of attack. This means that PP has a choice. Relinquish gender treatments and force Trump to relent if gender treatments are his primary target. If he still continues after them, then it’s absolutely Trump’s fault. But if they don’t relinquish gender treatments and are willing to die on that hill, they have to consider their responsibility in the loss of services to women. Of course it will be primarily Trump’s fault, but anyone willing to die on the hill of sterilising children can’t exactly assume the moral high ground. Or do you think they can?

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:32

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:18

Can’t help yourselves, can you?

You’re now claiming it’s ok for 10 year olds to get puberty blockers if they have their parents permission, after initially denying children were getting puberty blockers for pages on end, and that

“and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree”

which is just living in fantasy land, even gender clinics acknowledge sterility and infertility. As I said earlier in the thread, only you know your motivations for continuing to post mistruths.

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 12:44

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:26

Firstly, no funding has been cut. The funding is under review.

Second, my posts have pointed out how gender treatments have opened up organisations like PP to a different line of attack. This means that PP has a choice. Relinquish gender treatments and force Trump to relent if gender treatments are his primary target. If he still continues after them, then it’s absolutely Trump’s fault. But if they don’t relinquish gender treatments and are willing to die on that hill, they have to consider their responsibility in the loss of services to women. Of course it will be primarily Trump’s fault, but anyone willing to die on the hill of sterilising children can’t exactly assume the moral high ground. Or do you think they can?

When it was pointed out to you that Trump has given them no such choice so why were you acting like they had been presented a choice you acknowledged that they weren't given the choice drop the gender services and keep their funding. So why are you back to claiming they have a choice?

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:46

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:32

You’re now claiming it’s ok for 10 year olds to get puberty blockers if they have their parents permission, after initially denying children were getting puberty blockers for pages on end, and that

“and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree”

which is just living in fantasy land, even gender clinics acknowledge sterility and infertility. As I said earlier in the thread, only you know your motivations for continuing to post mistruths.

Where on earth did I claim that? I think you need a break.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:50

To clarify: I didn’t make any claim about 10yo and PBs.

Re: PBs and fertility - there’s plenty of studies and health sites that state otherwise.

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:51

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:14

You’re quite right, though, that the fact that it is Trump’s action to cut the funding is rarely mentioned except in triumph. The other factor not acknowledged is parents. Parents do need to consent to the puberty suppression treatments, but you wouldn’t know it by reading this thread. Those 10-18 years old are just walking in to PP by themselves and walking out sterilised (and let’s just ignore the fact that PBs rarely affect fertility to any great degree).

I think you need a break if you can’t remember what you posted 30 minutes ago. Bizarre really.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:54

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/04/2025 12:25

Good lord 😒

i am happy for everyone to post whether i agree with their posts, its the only way to learn moving forward

Did you agree with Eresh’s grotesque post that you quoted, then?

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 12:57

TheKeatingFive · 04/04/2025 11:21

On the one hand I think you're absolutely right with this, but on the other I can see why there would be little trust in PP to comply. There are so many activists in these organisations now and they seem adept at finding ways to carry on with their mission regardless.

I think a better solution would have been to not shut anything down until an alternative organisation was ready to go.

Loads of organisations are available that aren't PP and don't provide any sort of genderwoo. They won't be available shortly because they're run on a wing, a prayer, federal grants and the amazing volunteer work of retired women's HCPs. Retired midwives, gynecologists, obstetric nurses and GPs.

Without the federal grants they can't afford rent, utilities, insurance and paid staff. Their doors will close. Networks of amazing women with decades of experience, who do amazing work for women will disband. Women in red states will be particularly impacted.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:59

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 12:51

I think you need a break if you can’t remember what you posted 30 minutes ago. Bizarre really.

I was making fun of the posters on this thread who constantly talk about all the children being sterilised without parental oversight and it went entirely over your head.

Gosh, that’s funny. Please, take a break.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 13:06

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:54

Did you agree with Eresh’s grotesque post that you quoted, then?

You mean when Eresh said:
"I consider the distaste for the word “children” referencing minor human beings entering adolescence, as obfuscation which enables and conceals potentially harmful practices most people would naturally have a negative view on. As indeed they do"?

What an odd thing to find "grotesque". I understand it's uncomfortable / embarrassing to find that an opinion you've been parroting in good faith - that we shouldn't call children "children" for some odd reason - has roots in predatory behaviour / lifestyles. By that I mean where children are seen as mini adults by those seeking to exploit them in a variety of way. Sadly it's a grim reality and if individuals / activists find themselves spouting the idea that we shouldn't identify children as a group it removes them from the legal protections of all sorts of legislation:

https://consult.justice.gov.uk/sentencing-council/victim-is-a-child/

https://www.unicef.org.uk/what-we-do/un-convention-child-rights/

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66d7301b9084b18b95709f75/Keepingchildrensafeineducation2024.pdf

Those trying to deny the reality of children as a Protected Characteristic by virtue of age really shouldn't be surprised to find responsible adults pointing out the reality of what they're promoting.

Edited to apologise in advance if I've selected the wrong quote from Eresh.

Sexual Offences Guideline: Offences where the victim is a child - Ministry of Justice - Citizen Space

Find and participate in consultations relating to the duties of the Ministry of Justice.

https://consult.justice.gov.uk/sentencing-council/victim-is-a-child/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2025 13:06

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:50

To clarify: I didn’t make any claim about 10yo and PBs.

Re: PBs and fertility - there’s plenty of studies and health sites that state otherwise.

Quote them then. We all know this is nonsense.

For any lurkers: If so called “puberty blockers” are prescribed at Tanner Stage 2 as WPATH advocates for, they do not permit the normal development of reproductive systems which occurs during puberty in both sexes. If the CHILD does not desist and instead continues without a break to cross sex hormones as per the pathway, they will likely be infertile.

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 13:12

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 12:59

I was making fun of the posters on this thread who constantly talk about all the children being sterilised without parental oversight and it went entirely over your head.

Gosh, that’s funny. Please, take a break.

But you think it’s ok to give children puberty blockers if their parents are there and you think there is no issue with infertility or sterility. That was the punchline of your “joke”: a massive red flag and a lie.

So very funny.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 13:40

I think a better solution would have been to not shut anything down until an alternative organisation was ready to go.

The entire point of Trump's cuts to women's services is to cut services to women because they are women. He has zero interest in providing alternative organisations. His cuts will close alternatives to PP.

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 13:46

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 12:18

What happens to the children already in treatment drug wise. Is it safe to go cold turkey?

I'll ask again. Is it safe to withdraw these puberty blockers suddenly?

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 04/04/2025 13:51

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 13:40

I think a better solution would have been to not shut anything down until an alternative organisation was ready to go.

The entire point of Trump's cuts to women's services is to cut services to women because they are women. He has zero interest in providing alternative organisations. His cuts will close alternatives to PP.

This. Beggars belief that some people think they're just getting shut down because of DEI issues when it comes to trans, but failing to understand that women fall under "DEI" as well so stands to reason that things like abortion, and women's healthcare will be impacted too.
It's not all about "gender woo" and it's worrying that it seems women will happily throw away services to help themselves just to get rid of help towards people who are trans.

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