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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 13:53

TheGentleOpalMember · 04/04/2025 07:18

Because it is the reason for the cuts to PP, as we all know!

You know. I must have missed this. Where have the Trump administration said that these cuts are happening to women's services because they provide services to trans identifying children?

How does that explain the cuts to women's sexual health clinics that have never supplied trans care?

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 14:06

My latter point about transactivists was referring to a (presumably) transactivist argument (from another poster) that women's rights must trump a child's right to safety.

Away to fuck with your accusation that I'm a transactivist.

Feminism concerns the rights of women and girls. To relinquish our hard fought rights to "save" others is the antithesis of feminism @MrsOvertonsWindow. How many women and girls will die or suffer because of Trump's cuts to women's services? How many confused children will be saved by them?

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 14:19

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 12:44

When it was pointed out to you that Trump has given them no such choice so why were you acting like they had been presented a choice you acknowledged that they weren't given the choice drop the gender services and keep their funding. So why are you back to claiming they have a choice?

Just ignoring this are we @NotBadConsidering

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 14:24

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 04/04/2025 13:51

This. Beggars belief that some people think they're just getting shut down because of DEI issues when it comes to trans, but failing to understand that women fall under "DEI" as well so stands to reason that things like abortion, and women's healthcare will be impacted too.
It's not all about "gender woo" and it's worrying that it seems women will happily throw away services to help themselves just to get rid of help towards people who are trans.

It is absolutely unbelievable isn't it.

I honestly don't know how anyone here can claim FWR hasn't become a single issue board because everything comes back to trans women (trans men are rarely mentioned and the one time they were mentioned last week they were berated for trying to access a female space when that is exactly where FWR posters always insist they belong). Even a post about the awful cuts to womens health services has come back to transgender people and yes, it would appear to most people reading here that stopping gender affirming care is a priority over keeping women's vital sexual health services.

illinivich · 04/04/2025 14:51

This board was created because some posters didnt want trans issues talked about on the main FWR board.

Now women are being berated for focusing on trans issues on the board that was created to talk about trans issues.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/04/2025 15:09

This is not a trans board. This is FWR. Yet posters are being berated and accused of all sorts for talking about feminism and women's rights.

Datun · 04/04/2025 15:15

It's not FWR.

FWR was dismantled.

It's the sex and gender board.

Specifically separated from the original FWR in order to hold the discussion away from general feminism.

If you want general feminism, it's feminism chat.

FWR doesn't exist anymore.

edited to add that it was specifically to talk about the trans issue, but, only in relation to women's rights.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/04/2025 15:57

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 14:24

It is absolutely unbelievable isn't it.

I honestly don't know how anyone here can claim FWR hasn't become a single issue board because everything comes back to trans women (trans men are rarely mentioned and the one time they were mentioned last week they were berated for trying to access a female space when that is exactly where FWR posters always insist they belong). Even a post about the awful cuts to womens health services has come back to transgender people and yes, it would appear to most people reading here that stopping gender affirming care is a priority over keeping women's vital sexual health services.

Weird, I'm sure I already addressed this way back on page 6....

What this actually is is a bunch of women who are fucking furious that our bodies and our lives are still in the 21st century being used as counters to keep score in men's fucking stupid culture wars.

I'm fucking furious that the reactionary sexists who want to ban abortion out of some twisted idea of morality have a president who will do their bidding because all he cares about is parading that his side and therefore he won. (Because Trump doesn't actually give a shit either way, it's just a way to rub the losers' face in their loss by hurting things they care about)

And I'm fucking furious that the people who are supposed to care about women consider it justified to tell us that unless we capitulate to the belief that men can think themselves into womanhood we don't deserve to have our rights protected.

And I want to be able to fight for woman's rights and needs and to talk about the challenges and experiences of being a woman, and have that understood to be based on our shared sex because that is the fucking reality without having to justify that the experiences and needs of female people exist and are sometimes different from those of men even if those men happen to believe themselves to be women.

The dominant topic on FWR is the detrimental impact that redefining the difference between men and women as mental has on actual women and girls who live in the world in female bodies and deal with the physical and social consequences of that.

Do you think therefore that the women here only care about this? Can you not envision that we also exist in the real world and whatever concerns we may have on FWR are simply one aspect of a rounded real world woman?

I will spell it out for you.

I post about the issues with genderism and why it is at heart a sexist and regressive ideology that hurts actual women and girls' rights, voices and autonomy on FWR because this is a message that needs to be heard and MN is one of the few places real women can safely state their objection to having a gender identity imposed upon them and explain why it is so wrong to do this to us.

I also in the real world donate time and money to many feminist causes, and directly support individual women with our shared challenges.

I don't need to talk about that on FWR because caring about these things does not seem to be controversial to some in the same way that bizarrely my right to exist and be recognised as a female person with different needs, experiences and challenges to male people, and my right to join with others like me in a political movement to fight the still-ongoing marginalisation and disempowerment of female people because we are female, seem to be.

illinivich · 04/04/2025 16:58

The feminist boards are a place for chat and discussion, and i dont think posters respond well to being told off for not focusing on the 'correct' issues and not ignoring the damage trans ideology has played. Especially on this board.

If this thread was about the lack of 'family planning' services in the states, the OP really chose the wrong board. But given its about PP, which is known here as an organisation that gives men wrong sex hormones, issue women with testosterone and give PB to children, i dont think the thread was intended to be about contraception.

I dont know what is expected of women on a UK site, but im not going to support an organisation that does those things. If i refuse to donate, i cant complain if the American tax payer refused to, too.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/04/2025 17:44

Datun · 04/04/2025 15:15

It's not FWR.

FWR was dismantled.

It's the sex and gender board.

Specifically separated from the original FWR in order to hold the discussion away from general feminism.

If you want general feminism, it's feminism chat.

FWR doesn't exist anymore.

edited to add that it was specifically to talk about the trans issue, but, only in relation to women's rights.

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What datunsaid

a whole load of posters came to complain that threads about sex and gender were taking ive4 the feminism board and they were unable to discuss general feminism things

lots of FWR regulars did NOT want this but were overruled and the boards were separated so that some posters could make more threads about feminism in general

as it turns out, people are still complaining that the sex and gender board is used to discuss sex and gender…😳

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/04/2025 17:45

Bloody hell…over!
not what ever the hell I managed to type 😀

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 04/04/2025 17:47

And yes

the’ family planning’ in the USA sound dreadful…someone should really start a thread, on the correct board

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 18:41

Trump throwing the baby out with the bath water. These family planning sexual health services are needed in the USA.

In Wales the local sexual health clinic in a big town was shut down years ago now. You have to go to the big hospital many miles away in the countryside. It's appointment only, the old one had a drop in service.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/04/2025 00:07

If this thread was about the lack of 'family planning' services in the states, the OP really chose the wrong board.

This thread isn't about the lack of family planning services, it's about the cuts to women's sex based services @illinivich.

as it turns out, people are still complaining that the sex and gender board is used to discuss sex and gender…😳

People are complaining about feminists who centre the sex class, women, and won't sacrifice women's and girls rights to MRA cultural warriors. That which is feminism @RufustheFactuaIReindeer.

If this forum does not centre women, it doesn't belong under Feminism.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 00:50

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 13:12

But you think it’s ok to give children puberty blockers if their parents are there and you think there is no issue with infertility or sterility. That was the punchline of your “joke”: a massive red flag and a lie.

So very funny.

Gosh. You do have trouble with comprehension.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 01:17

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 13:06

You mean when Eresh said:
"I consider the distaste for the word “children” referencing minor human beings entering adolescence, as obfuscation which enables and conceals potentially harmful practices most people would naturally have a negative view on. As indeed they do"?

What an odd thing to find "grotesque". I understand it's uncomfortable / embarrassing to find that an opinion you've been parroting in good faith - that we shouldn't call children "children" for some odd reason - has roots in predatory behaviour / lifestyles. By that I mean where children are seen as mini adults by those seeking to exploit them in a variety of way. Sadly it's a grim reality and if individuals / activists find themselves spouting the idea that we shouldn't identify children as a group it removes them from the legal protections of all sorts of legislation:

https://consult.justice.gov.uk/sentencing-council/victim-is-a-child/

https://www.unicef.org.uk/what-we-do/un-convention-child-rights/

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66d7301b9084b18b95709f75/Keepingchildrensafeineducation2024.pdf

Those trying to deny the reality of children as a Protected Characteristic by virtue of age really shouldn't be surprised to find responsible adults pointing out the reality of what they're promoting.

Edited to apologise in advance if I've selected the wrong quote from Eresh.

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@MrsOvertonsWindow

What an odd thing to find "grotesque". I understand it's uncomfortable / embarrassing to find that an opinion you've been parroting in good faith - that we shouldn't call children "children" for some odd reason - has roots in predatory behaviour / lifestyles

Yes, I do find it grotesque when it is aimed at me with the goal of shocking me - and it did - and shutting me down. Particularly as it came straight after a post accusing me directly of being a paedophile (that one was reported and deleted). It was used a tactic and I’ve encountered it before here - nowhere else. What does that tell you?

BTW - I’m not in the habit of “parroting” opinions. Nor am I an activist of any type. I’m not LBGTQI - I’m a mother of two, a feminist, slightly left of centre in my politics, and part-time academic. Your use of this sort of insult against other women is bizarre and pathetic.

Instead of reporting you - as you chose to copy Eresh’s post out and explain it carefully with helpful links - maybe you should ask for it to be deleted yourself.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 01:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2025 13:06

Quote them then. We all know this is nonsense.

For any lurkers: If so called “puberty blockers” are prescribed at Tanner Stage 2 as WPATH advocates for, they do not permit the normal development of reproductive systems which occurs during puberty in both sexes. If the CHILD does not desist and instead continues without a break to cross sex hormones as per the pathway, they will likely be infertile.

Here’s just one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666379122004220

There are plenty more out there. The article above does discuss slightly older participants, but describes the return of spermatogenesis after long-term eostradiol.

Generally, for transmen it isn’t an issue; for transwomen, it sometimes can be. However, it isn’t a blanket NO.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 05/04/2025 03:49

Instead of reporting you - as you chose to copy Eresh’s post out and explain it carefully with helpful links - maybe you should ask for it to be deleted yourself.

Theres nothing to report, and no reason I can see for MrsOvertonsWindow to self censor.

You’ve been all over the place with regards to PP seeing children / not seeing children and then deciding that children means anyone under 12.

Those links are very useful. As is this one:

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/atlas/

Girls in this case is anyone under 18.

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Child marriage atlas - Girls Not Brides

https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/atlas/

TheGentleOpalMember · 05/04/2025 05:07

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 01:46

Here’s just one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666379122004220

There are plenty more out there. The article above does discuss slightly older participants, but describes the return of spermatogenesis after long-term eostradiol.

Generally, for transmen it isn’t an issue; for transwomen, it sometimes can be. However, it isn’t a blanket NO.

You realise 'sciencedirect' is a branch of 'scientific american' are are activist sites that push pseudoscience and trans activist nonsense, right? Neither are respected by actual scientists.

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs
MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 05:22

@TheGentleOpalMember

You realise 'sciencedirect' is a branch of 'scientific american' are are activist sites that push pseudoscience and trans activist nonsense, right? Neither are respected by actual scientists.

”Activist sites” “trans activist nonsense” - honestly. I might have taken you semi-seriously if you hadn’t popped those in there. BTW, are you an actual scientist? Have you performed a poll of ‘actual scientists’ on their views of Scientific American?

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 05:26

BTW, are you able to provide a link - not a screenshot - of that image in your post? I notice it’s from GRIPT and that’s not biased, oh no 🙄 It’s also a preprint, so how am I to know if it has even been published?

TheGentleOpalMember · 05/04/2025 05:31

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 05:22

@TheGentleOpalMember

You realise 'sciencedirect' is a branch of 'scientific american' are are activist sites that push pseudoscience and trans activist nonsense, right? Neither are respected by actual scientists.

”Activist sites” “trans activist nonsense” - honestly. I might have taken you semi-seriously if you hadn’t popped those in there. BTW, are you an actual scientist? Have you performed a poll of ‘actual scientists’ on their views of Scientific American?

You clearly don't read a lot of social media or scientists accounts.

TheGentleOpalMember · 05/04/2025 05:38

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 05:26

BTW, are you able to provide a link - not a screenshot - of that image in your post? I notice it’s from GRIPT and that’s not biased, oh no 🙄 It’s also a preprint, so how am I to know if it has even been published?

I am looking for it. In the meantime, here is another link: https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/testimony/SHUMSER-1254-20230328-26902-F-TVEIT_BILL.pdf

https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/testimony/SHUMSER-1254-20230328-26902-F-TVEIT_BILL.pdf

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 06:26

TheGentleOpalMember · 05/04/2025 05:38

I am looking for it. In the meantime, here is another link: https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/testimony/SHUMSER-1254-20230328-26902-F-TVEIT_BILL.pdf

That’s an extremely biased source - and an interview, not a study.

MessinaBloom · 05/04/2025 06:26

TheGentleOpalMember · 05/04/2025 05:31

You clearly don't read a lot of social media or scientists accounts.

So you’re not, then.