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Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TheGentleOpalMember · 04/04/2025 07:55

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 07:46

FFS. Terminology. That was about terminology.

I was meaning children under 12.

13 year olds, 14 year olds, 15 year olds and 16 year olds (and even 17 year olds) ARE children! Regardless of what excuse you come up with.

You could just have the self respect and honour to say you got 'confused', rather than continue with the lie.

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 07:56

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 07:51

No, I read it, I just didn’t want to go back that far to retrieve such an important link to re-read it. It still doesn’t say anything about 12 year olds or younger. You’re just inferring that.

No, it says children “entering puberty”. It’s only you now who are claiming “under 12”. Children enter puberty while still children. That’s what puberty is. The physical transition from child to adult.

It’s you who are somehow inferring that they don’t mean actual children, they mean the unicorn of a “young person” who has somehow got to 16 or over, is identifying as trans, and needs puberty blockers for reasons known only to you. Bizarre.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:02

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 07:44

Very pleased to see so much robust push back against the removal of the world child. The determination of flag wavers for trans ideology to obscure the vulnerability of children by pretending they're young adults is at best naive and worst, sinister.

As for the argument that women's rights should be prioritised over children - just displays the lack of critical thinking by so many transactivists.

I’m not clear on what your point is here. Calling me a TRA is reductive. It’s an insult used so often here that it’s lost its meaning. But the next part? Simply because I objected to the continued use of ‘child’ in this context?

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:16

Yes, I am claiming that. Comprehension again - a few posts of mine ago, I wrote this. I deliberately bolded a particular word hoping you would take note but it seems you did not.

Read back please - I did state that PP may see young people under 16 for other treatments, perhaps as young as 12. Why is that such a terrible thing anyway?
They do not prescribe hormone treatment to any young person under 16, and they don’t do it without parental consent.

To reiterate, PP may see CHILDREN under 16 for other types of treatments and advice.

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 08:16

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 07:44

Very pleased to see so much robust push back against the removal of the world child. The determination of flag wavers for trans ideology to obscure the vulnerability of children by pretending they're young adults is at best naive and worst, sinister.

As for the argument that women's rights should be prioritised over children - just displays the lack of critical thinking by so many transactivists.

As for the argument that women's rights should be prioritised over children - just displays the lack of critical thinking by so many transactivists.

I think TRAs cannot ever admit their ideology does harm and they have to defend it at all costs. It’s beyond reproach and never has any negative or unforeseen repercussions according to them. Of course they don’t critically think about it, because they’re too busy claiming the conflict doesn’t even exist.

Datun · 04/04/2025 08:24

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:16

Yes, I am claiming that. Comprehension again - a few posts of mine ago, I wrote this. I deliberately bolded a particular word hoping you would take note but it seems you did not.

Read back please - I did state that PP may see young people under 16 for other treatments, perhaps as young as 12. Why is that such a terrible thing anyway?
They do not prescribe hormone treatment to any young person under 16, and they don’t do it without parental consent.

To reiterate, PP may see CHILDREN under 16 for other types of treatments and advice.

MessinaBloom

Can I just ask, do you genuinely believe that Planned Parenthood have never given puberty blockers to anyone under 16?

Even though they talk about prescribing it at the onset of puberty, and that it's generally understood this happens between the ages of say 9 and 12?

Did you read the link where they have been accused for several years of obscuring the details of their gender treatments?

"U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy, M.D. (R-LA), ranking member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, called out Planned Parenthood’s opaque reporting on gender transition services and requests information on whether any taxpayer funds support these experimental and potentially harmful activities.

Abortion provider Planned Parenthood is now the second largest provider of gender hormone therapies in the United States. In 2022, Planned Parenthood reported that 41 out of its 49 affiliated facilities provided gender transition services, including puberty blockers for minors, as well as estrogen and testosterone."

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/uploads/filer_public/db/88/db881467-f6e5-47a3-a6a3-2c7d3ea545e0/gac2.pdf

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:34

Datun · 04/04/2025 08:24

MessinaBloom

Can I just ask, do you genuinely believe that Planned Parenthood have never given puberty blockers to anyone under 16?

Even though they talk about prescribing it at the onset of puberty, and that it's generally understood this happens between the ages of say 9 and 12?

Did you read the link where they have been accused for several years of obscuring the details of their gender treatments?

"U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy, M.D. (R-LA), ranking member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee, called out Planned Parenthood’s opaque reporting on gender transition services and requests information on whether any taxpayer funds support these experimental and potentially harmful activities.

Abortion provider Planned Parenthood is now the second largest provider of gender hormone therapies in the United States. In 2022, Planned Parenthood reported that 41 out of its 49 affiliated facilities provided gender transition services, including puberty blockers for minors, as well as estrogen and testosterone."

I don’t believe they necessarily perfect on this issue, no.

But I don’t believe that is a good enough reason to cut their funding for essential services for women and teenagers.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2025 08:38

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 08:16

As for the argument that women's rights should be prioritised over children - just displays the lack of critical thinking by so many transactivists.

I think TRAs cannot ever admit their ideology does harm and they have to defend it at all costs. It’s beyond reproach and never has any negative or unforeseen repercussions according to them. Of course they don’t critically think about it, because they’re too busy claiming the conflict doesn’t even exist.

Quite.

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 08:42

I'm shocked. I thought it was just about contraception. I'm with Trump drain the swamp here. They'll have to set up something else fast though. The gender affirming services need to be halted

justasking111 · 04/04/2025 08:45

List of services

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs
NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 09:06

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:34

I don’t believe they necessarily perfect on this issue, no.

But I don’t believe that is a good enough reason to cut their funding for essential services for women and teenagers.

That’s a hell of a euphemism for sterilising children, but as concessions go, that’s more than anyone could expect from you.

But I don’t believe that is a good enough reason to cut their funding for essential services for women and teenagers.

And now we’re back to the crux of the issue.

Datun · 04/04/2025 09:12

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:34

I don’t believe they necessarily perfect on this issue, no.

But I don’t believe that is a good enough reason to cut their funding for essential services for women and teenagers.

Well, your interpretation is that it's not necessarily perfect, while other people think they're handing out puberty blockers like Smarties.

Given they appear to have deliberately obscured exactly what they're doing, I wouldn't personally view it as not perfect.

More hiding exactly how many children they are sterilising.

If they are sterilising swathes of children, then of course they must be stopped. Countries across the globe are now realising they must stop these treatments.

Also, there isn't a woman on this thread who wants funding cut for other services for women and children.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 09:44

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 08:02

I’m not clear on what your point is here. Calling me a TRA is reductive. It’s an insult used so often here that it’s lost its meaning. But the next part? Simply because I objected to the continued use of ‘child’ in this context?

I was making general points. I could have been more specific with my first point that from my safeguarding background, the main groups I'm aware of who adultify children in order to obscure their age related vulnerability are predatory adults. But I didn't say that and assume that it's naivety or a lack of familiarity with children, parenting, child development etc.
My latter point about transactivists was referring to a (presumably) transactivist argument (from another poster) that women's rights must trump a child's right to safety. Not one I'm familiar with from parents and other responsible adults.

withthegreatestrespect · 04/04/2025 10:00

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 07:46

FFS. Terminology. That was about terminology.

I was meaning children under 12.

🙄

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 10:26

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/04/2025 09:44

I was making general points. I could have been more specific with my first point that from my safeguarding background, the main groups I'm aware of who adultify children in order to obscure their age related vulnerability are predatory adults. But I didn't say that and assume that it's naivety or a lack of familiarity with children, parenting, child development etc.
My latter point about transactivists was referring to a (presumably) transactivist argument (from another poster) that women's rights must trump a child's right to safety. Not one I'm familiar with from parents and other responsible adults.

Uh huh.

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 10:32

@Datun

Also, there isn't a woman on this thread who wants funding cut for other services for women and children.

Why can’t anyone say that then? I haven’t seen it. (Also, I liked the unnecessary “woman” and pointed “children”.)

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 10:46

@NotBadConsidering why are you making out its PPs fault that they have had their funding cut instead of acknowledging that it's Trump's fault?

Trump could have easily ordered them to stop all gender services and let them keep their funding, but he hasn't. He is cutting women's services.

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 11:19

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 10:46

@NotBadConsidering why are you making out its PPs fault that they have had their funding cut instead of acknowledging that it's Trump's fault?

Trump could have easily ordered them to stop all gender services and let them keep their funding, but he hasn't. He is cutting women's services.

Hello @SilverDapples , welcome to Mumsnet, thank you for making your first post here. I suggest you take a bit more time to read posts more thoroughly, because I haven’t said anything like that. The issues you describe are discussed earlier in the thread. Have a good day!

TheKeatingFive · 04/04/2025 11:21

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 10:46

@NotBadConsidering why are you making out its PPs fault that they have had their funding cut instead of acknowledging that it's Trump's fault?

Trump could have easily ordered them to stop all gender services and let them keep their funding, but he hasn't. He is cutting women's services.

On the one hand I think you're absolutely right with this, but on the other I can see why there would be little trust in PP to comply. There are so many activists in these organisations now and they seem adept at finding ways to carry on with their mission regardless.

I think a better solution would have been to not shut anything down until an alternative organisation was ready to go.

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2025 11:24

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 10:32

@Datun

Also, there isn't a woman on this thread who wants funding cut for other services for women and children.

Why can’t anyone say that then? I haven’t seen it. (Also, I liked the unnecessary “woman” and pointed “children”.)

Here we are:

I don't want funding cut for other services for women and children.

This is a feminist board, largely consisting of women. It's pretty much something that can be taken as read that women here support healthcare for women. But I'm willing to spell it out for you if it makes you happy.

It looks like Planned Parenthood do a lot of good, useful, necessary work. But that doesn't mean that it's okay that they sterilise children.

Talk about poisoned chalice.

TheKeatingFive · 04/04/2025 11:29

Let's not forget that the TRA side have been fiendishly clever in wrapping their cause up with genuinely valuable and important initiatives - Gay/lesbian rights, reproductive rights.

So you can't be seen to be fighting against TRA over reach, without negative impact on important causes that no one wants to be compromised.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/04/2025 11:32

Exactly, @TheKeatingFiveup to this point it’s been a winning strategy.

withthegreatestrespect · 04/04/2025 11:34

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 10:46

@NotBadConsidering why are you making out its PPs fault that they have had their funding cut instead of acknowledging that it's Trump's fault?

Trump could have easily ordered them to stop all gender services and let them keep their funding, but he hasn't. He is cutting women's services.

Six of one, half a dozen of another.
Like it or not, this is the way Trump works. We will have to see what happens further down the line. Are women's services going to be adversely affected meanwhile? Unfortunately yes, probably. Are services that lead to human-rights level of abuse of children going to be removed permanently? I hope so with all my heart. Could this have been achieved a different way? Not with Trump. And we'll never know with the Democrats because they never tried it

MessinaBloom · 04/04/2025 11:38

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2025 11:24

Here we are:

I don't want funding cut for other services for women and children.

This is a feminist board, largely consisting of women. It's pretty much something that can be taken as read that women here support healthcare for women. But I'm willing to spell it out for you if it makes you happy.

It looks like Planned Parenthood do a lot of good, useful, necessary work. But that doesn't mean that it's okay that they sterilise children.

Talk about poisoned chalice.

i would also assume that a feminist board would support health services like PP, particularly as they services vulnerable communities, but amid the hyperbole nobody seemed to say that. I appreciate that you have, albeit with a disclaimer.

SilverDapples · 04/04/2025 11:59

NotBadConsidering · 04/04/2025 11:19

Hello @SilverDapples , welcome to Mumsnet, thank you for making your first post here. I suggest you take a bit more time to read posts more thoroughly, because I haven’t said anything like that. The issues you describe are discussed earlier in the thread. Have a good day!

Touched a nerve I see!

I've been here a while. I name change often.