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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:10

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:31

I already know that, but that doesn't or hasn't stopped politicians and activist continually targeting PP and calling for their closure. Adding another unfounded emotive accusation that they're sterilising children isn't helping. It's been a longheld argument that any government funding to PP could be reallocated to abortion which is why they don't want it to get any funding at all. Supporting any cuts to PP is not in the interest of women health or their rights.

I already know that, but that doesn't or hasn't stopped politicians and activist continually targeting PP and calling for their closure.

They can call for PP's closure all they want. It will never close because it is primarily funded by NGOs and individual people.

unfounded emotive accusation that they're sterilising children

Um, it's not unfounded. PP has ADMITTED they are giving cross-sex hormones to children. They've admitted it.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:12

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I fucking what,now?! Where are you getting this from?

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:16

For anyone else still reading, I did not say this. Nor anything like it.

The post that has been deleted said that I would not engage further with this poster, because I suspected they were a troll.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:17

'Well I think given arabella etc claiming there are many "left wing feminists" who actually wouldn't vote democrat because they weren't advocating restricting abortion further, perhaps they thought it too radical

I also never said this or anything like it.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:18

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 22:07

Again your going to need to have some facts to back up calling women girls i.e. children and that PP are sterilising to defend supporting cuts to PP. Given there are people who have taken testosterone and gotten pregnant, while there is a risk of fertility damage you shouldn't be making a blanket villifying accusation against an organisation that is under attack as part of the agenda to roll back abortion rights if you claim to care about women. If you don't, just own it and say your primary concern is stopping CSH, but don't claim to be feminist. Even the language used is deliberately villifying, as though PPs agenda is to sterilised children instead of "I'm concerned that the healthcare people can access at PP could harm theor fertility" Vs "PP are sterilising children". This sort of tactic is deliberately used by the right wing to place blame on their target. I've simply asked you to be careful with your language given the rhetoric towards PP has invited people to feel justified attacking their clinics.

Given there are people who have taken testosterone and gotten pregnant, while there is a risk of fertility damage

Vasectomy is considered sterilisation. Yet women have still gotten pregnant by their vasectomised partner. It doesn't mean vasectomy is just considered 'fertility damage'. There will always be that rare trans man who will conceive while on testosterone, but that doesn't mean it is not sterilisation.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:24

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 22:35

Which is a massive roll back on women's rights, something some usually very vocal posters on FWR have little to say about. Maybe suggestions had a point that not every poster here claiming to support women's sex based rights actually does.

RBG said abortion should be a state's issue.

Are you now suggesting that she was therefore advocating a massive roll back on womens rights?

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:25

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I said yesterday that I wouldn't engage with you. You've made many posts that are complete fabrications, and invented quotes and attributed them to me.

So just to reiterate, I have nothing further to say to someone who makes stuff up. It's pointless.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:27

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 22:40

You've made yourself extremely clear that you have nothing to say about Trump and the right wing attacks on women's rights except "that's what they do" and that you're not interested in debating posters who are happy for women's access to abortion to be affected, only debating posters who address the right wing agenda.

and that you're not interested in debating posters who are happy for women's access to abortion to be affected

The problem with that is that not one single poster has said they are happy for women's access to abortion to be affected.

Not that is anyway, as freezing Federal funding does not affect women's access to abortion in the slightest - which you've been repeatedly told, so you're being disingenuous.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:31

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 22:59

Start anywhere you like, but just start.

Because there is no explanation that Mumsnet FWR have for their wholesale failure to and sell out of women.

All they have in their repertoire, the only thing they have to pull out of their party bag, is the demonisation of trans people.

Which Trump and his ilk gladly seize upon to bolster and legitimize their devastation of women's rights.

Talk about handmaidens eh.

Um, no one is 'demonising trans people' you are being disingenuous. At a push you could say we are demonising men/males.

You, however, are demonising womens sex-based rights and needs.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 06:37

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:25

I said yesterday that I wouldn't engage with you. You've made many posts that are complete fabrications, and invented quotes and attributed them to me.

So just to reiterate, I have nothing further to say to someone who makes stuff up. It's pointless.

Rewriting people's posts and making false accusations has been a feature of so many accusatory posts on this thread Arabella. It's why most posters ceased engagement as was pointed out upthread by respect:
"If no-one wants to engage with you I suggest that is because you are coming across as snippy, judgemental, arrogant, rude and with some sort of a hidden agenda".
Very tedious.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:37

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 15:51

Access to abortion is the opposite of authoritarianism. Access to abortion doesn't force anyone to have an abortion. Restriction others access to abortion because you personally don't agree with Iot, is. Coopting feminist language to support a patriarchal ideal of restricting women's reproductive freedoms doesn't make it feminist.

Coopting feminist language to support a patriarchal ideal of restricting women's reproductive freedoms doesn't make it feminist.

Good thing no one on this thread or even board has done that then, isn't it.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 06:40

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 06:37

Rewriting people's posts and making false accusations has been a feature of so many accusatory posts on this thread Arabella. It's why most posters ceased engagement as was pointed out upthread by respect:
"If no-one wants to engage with you I suggest that is because you are coming across as snippy, judgemental, arrogant, rude and with some sort of a hidden agenda".
Very tedious.

Yes, and the post where I said I wouldn't engage with this poster further has been reported and deleted.

Childish games.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:40

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:06

Well at least you're honest. You'll take a 'win' at the expense of women's rights even when it's enacted by a right wing patrichal agenda coming from women, which is exactly what posters were saying is dangerous on the long term.

So then you're saying you're happy to take a loss on child safeguarding just so women can get abortions?

Because that is the flipside of your argument.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:43

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 16:08

It's not really a big ask of a feminists board to not cheer on the right wing attack to abortion access as a win. No one's blaming anyone here for what they do, but if you celebrate it it's certainly a reasonable feminist discourse to ask wtf you're thinking.

No one on here has cheered it on or celebrated it.

So your posts are pretty redundant.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:56

Datun · 27/03/2025 18:51

I think I've lost track of this. I thought the review of PP had fuck all to do with abortion?

The funding is completely separate?

It doesn't. The MRA/TRAs on this thread are weaponising it to attack those who believe sterilising and mutilating children are wrong and that womens sex-based rights are important. If it weren't for PP doing 'gender affirming' 'care', I doubt these people would give a stuff about PP losing funding, because they truly don't care about women.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:00

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 18:57

It's family planning funding they're cutting, within the wider context that they are constantly trying to cut PP funding so as to remove them as an option for abortion provision knowing that in many areas PP is all women have. And in the context of at the same time as announcing this pardoning anti abortion activists who have targeted PP.

to remove them as an option for abortion provision

Since PP is overwhelmingly funded outside the federal government, PP will never ever cease to exist, so this will never happen. So it's still irrelevant.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:08

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 19:31

Huh? It's funny that this is a feminist discussion board and yet anyone who has posted on this thread advocating women's rights as a key priority have been called a TRA activist, smearers, bots, trolls. No need to engage further you and Tempest have quite proved suggestions post that there are people on FWR who aren't posting about trans issues from a women's right agenda but instead fueling an agenda that will ultimately work against women. As this thread demonstrates. I note anyone who suggestion she was wrong and smearing women who care about women's reproductive rights have gone very quiet.

No one on this thread is "fueling an agenda that will ultimately work against women". NOT...ONE poster has. Which is why suggestions and you are embarrassing yourselves.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:11

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:13

And yet some posters don't actually want to defend or protect women's reproductive rights

Just who of those posters is that? There are NONE who "don't actually want to defend or protect women's reproductive rights" on this thread or even on this board, you are lying.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:13

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:17

I guess the issue the democrats have faced with Roe v Wade is that while many feminists would have supported that, there are too many other votes who would rather support a right wing ban party who would ban abortion than a left wing party going further left and actually being bold on women's rights. As highlighted up thread, apparently the smart sensible thing for the democrats to have done in order to stop Trump getting in would have been to promise to further restrict abortion rights.

You are missing that countless Democrat governments were voted in the do just that. They reneged on their PROMISE.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:15

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:21

Except the ones happy to see women's reproductive rights rolled back by applying further limitations on women accessing abortion. Have you read the thread? Apparently advocating for a woman's right to choose as a decision she makes herself without a legislator deciding what she is allowed is authoritarian against those don't want a woman to be able to choose.

No one on this thread has done that. Why are you lying and making up things that simply aren't true?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:18

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:23

Perhaps go reread @ArabellaScott and @TempestTost posts? Apparently there's a feminist case for it. What was your interpretation of their support for handing abortion rights over to states or reducing the access limit?

Ruth Bader Ginsburg and many, MANY well-respected feminists said it should be a states issue.

That, is the feminist perspective.

Are you truly going to argue, with a straight face, that Ruth Bader Ginsburg, was not a feminist? Are you really going to make such a fool of yourself like this?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:20

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But they DID vote for it! It was Obama's platform and he WON. He didn't give the voters WHAT THEY VOTED FOR!

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:22

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:36

Not when they're actually advocating restricting their access to women's reproductive healthcare they aren't.

NO ONE on this thread has done that, please stop lying.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:23

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 20:39

So you're agreeing that women's reproductive rights have less of a priority than what exactly?

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Are you saying that children's rights not to be sterilised is less of a priority than women's reproductive rights?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:27

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:19

I never said all, I said posters cheering on PP cuts and closures and legislative restriction on abortion access are.

As I said before, it's a shame that this thread has been very quiet with posters advocating for women's reproductive freedom. Those who have are accused of being TRAs, bots, smearing women etc.

If people disagree with the notion that there are posters on FWR who are supportive of an agenda overall that eventually harms women, that there aren't more posters here critiquing these cuts and pushing back on posters claims that reducing access to abortion can be feminist. It's a bit noticeable that some posters are very active on FWR threads that focus more on trans infringements of women's rights and threads about other harms to women particularly on attacks by the right and issues as key as cutting reproductive healthcare get less traction.

posters cheering on PP cuts and closures and legislative restriction on abortion access are.

There are no posters on this thread who are doing that. As another poster said, you are arguing with the wrong crowd or making up outright lies.

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