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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 07:29

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:22

But it affects family planning and posters were supportive of that and the notion PP should be scrapped entirely. Do you agree with that?

It's not about being a Trump supporter. Trump is just the new face heading a decades old right wing patrichal agenda. If feminists don't take the opposite view of the patriarchy, what exactly makes their position feminist? Especially when the policies they're advocating are identical to that agenda?

For the 52nd time, NO posters on this thread are supportive of that or that PP should be scrapped entirely. Please stop making up lies.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 28/03/2025 08:12

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 06:37

Rewriting people's posts and making false accusations has been a feature of so many accusatory posts on this thread Arabella. It's why most posters ceased engagement as was pointed out upthread by respect:
"If no-one wants to engage with you I suggest that is because you are coming across as snippy, judgemental, arrogant, rude and with some sort of a hidden agenda".
Very tedious.

This

and i know its not much of a consolation arabella but no one on this thread believes that thats what you said

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 08:20

Top notch posting by @TheGentleOpalMember 🏆🏆🏆

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 08:35

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 28/03/2025 08:12

This

and i know its not much of a consolation arabella but no one on this thread believes that thats what you said

Thanks, Rufus. It's quite easy to check, and anyone will see this poster has made a bunch of stuff up, but who has the time or energy?!

Myalternate · 28/03/2025 08:48

Too many individual posts to thank from TheGentleOpalMember and ArabellaScott
so I’ll just say it here… without people such as yourselves for continuing the fight against TRA’s and MRA’s and indeed some women that think they alone are the only ‘true’ feminists…

🌹 👏

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 08:58

Myalternate · 28/03/2025 08:48

Too many individual posts to thank from TheGentleOpalMember and ArabellaScott
so I’ll just say it here… without people such as yourselves for continuing the fight against TRA’s and MRA’s and indeed some women that think they alone are the only ‘true’ feminists…

🌹 👏

....and @FlirtsWithRhinos and @TempestTost and all the women on FWR who deal patiently with the MRAs on a daily basis.

Myalternate · 28/03/2025 09:06

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 08:58

....and @FlirtsWithRhinos and @TempestTost and all the women on FWR who deal patiently with the MRAs on a daily basis.

Of course x.
They also have my respect and admiration (it’s a looooong list ) ✍️

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 09:23

So something has been niggling me about this thread which is why, against my better judgement😁), I keep coming back to it. I finally realised that it reminds me of this article posted on FWR earlier in the year

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10894160.2024.2356496#abstract

...These distinctions between the British gender critical and the global anti-gender movements are not insignificant. Such differences pose challenges for developing effective counter strategies—not least of all because gender critical feminists appeal to left-wing and liberal audiences as much as right-wing ones. Strategies designed to push back against right-wing politics can backfire when applied to left-wing campaigners.....
...[Judith] Butler invites us to consider: “How do we develop a counter-imaginary strong enough to expose [the anti-gender] ruse, scatter its force, and stop the efforts at censorship, distortion, and reactionary politics that it empowers? It is up to us to produce a compelling counter-vision, one that would affirm the rights and freedoms of embodied life that we can, and should, protect”

I submit that this thread is an attempt to get that 'reactionary' label attached to Terf-island, because they cannot come up with any other way of pushing back against us. Which means that they truly have no arguments to fight us - and they know it.

AlisonDonut · 28/03/2025 09:34

not least of all because gender critical feminists appeal to left-wing and liberal audiences as much as right-wing ones

I mean, most 'gender critical feminists' are left wing or centrists. And we are not appealing to anyone! We get blamed for men in dresses because we wanted to be able to work and support ourselves.

We just slice and dice and consider the opposite sides and make different cases and see what gets knocked down and what stands up. And get continually called evil bigots and nazis for it. It's like water off a duck's back.

TempestTost · 28/03/2025 10:02

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 22:01

It's not about my personal view point, it's about feminist hard fought for gains on women's freedoms. It's all well and good for you to say "well actually some feminists define reproductive rights differently" as a hypothetical but that doesn't really hold up when those 'feminists' are spouting the same patrichal restrictions feminists fought against get us access to legal safe abortion. A right by the way that only very recently became UK wide, so I'm not going to let it slide when someone with a religious-right moral objection to women's reproductive freedoms wants to coopt the word feminist as a cover for their antichoice thetoric. That's not me defining feminism, it's feminism at its basic core being about the full social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. If you don't understand how reproductive freedom being taken out of the hands on men and legislature's with patriachal views isn't 100% necessary in order to achieve that then I don't know what to say to you. Feminists can hardly lots of viewpoints, a feminist can define themselves as religiously "pro life" for themselves but when they want to restrict other women's freedoms based on their POV their intention is no longer driven by feminism.

I'm sorry, it's not up to you to decide that feminists can or cannot come to conclusions that are similar to conclusions you dislike.

You seem to have a very black and white view of what counts as feminist, patriarchal, right-wing, and leftist, etc.

There are and always have been a wide variety of viewpoints and approaches among all these groups, there are crossovers and its common to have opposing views on all kinds of things.

All intellectual and political movements are like this, especially those that are decades old.

TempestTost · 28/03/2025 10:11

And I'd just like to add, though maybe it won't be appreciated: It is massively freeing to realize that being a feminist, or a good leftist, or even a good woman-centered conservative, does not mean you need to have a tick-box set of viewpoints on issues or political policy. Nor does it mean you need to create a hierarchy of which people are important. It just means being woman-centered and considering equality of dignity and worth when you think about issues, and when you work through problems of balancing rights and responsibilities in society, when you think about the things which you know or believe to be true about nature and reality, and especially about issues that impact women.

You just need to think things through in that way and come to your own conclusions. And on a whole group level it's so much more successful than people trying to fit their reasoning and experience into little boxes defined by others, because so many more ideas and observations come out of it.

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 10:47

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 08:35

Thanks, Rufus. It's quite easy to check, and anyone will see this poster has made a bunch of stuff up, but who has the time or energy?!

Scrolling back, it seems like someone checked and deleted a bunch of them😂😍

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:02

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 08:35

Thanks, Rufus. It's quite easy to check, and anyone will see this poster has made a bunch of stuff up, but who has the time or energy?!

You know that other posters can read too, right?

That’s not my impression at all. But do enjoy that righteousness!

withthegreatestrespect · 28/03/2025 11:13

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:02

You know that other posters can read too, right?

That’s not my impression at all. But do enjoy that righteousness!

Seems like the MN mods disagree with you

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2025 11:24

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:02

You know that other posters can read too, right?

That’s not my impression at all. But do enjoy that righteousness!

I guess you read those posts before they were deleted as a PA then?

Datun · 28/03/2025 11:28

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:56

It doesn't. The MRA/TRAs on this thread are weaponising it to attack those who believe sterilising and mutilating children are wrong and that womens sex-based rights are important. If it weren't for PP doing 'gender affirming' 'care', I doubt these people would give a stuff about PP losing funding, because they truly don't care about women.

It looks like that poster has been kicked off for talking crap and getting deleted too many times.

Using access to abortion as leverage, when it's not included in the funding didn't seem to matter somehow!

Berating women for throwing the baby out with the bath water doesn't work, when the baby's not even in the bath.

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:31

All of the deleted posts? Most of them. And by the way you’re all talking, you’ve been so heinously attacked - and that isn’t the case. As for the deleted posts - I’ve sometimes seen other posters complain about their posts being deleted and they really can’t see why.

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:32

Datun · 28/03/2025 11:28

It looks like that poster has been kicked off for talking crap and getting deleted too many times.

Using access to abortion as leverage, when it's not included in the funding didn't seem to matter somehow!

Berating women for throwing the baby out with the bath water doesn't work, when the baby's not even in the bath.

She didn’t “berate” women.

ArabellaScott · 28/03/2025 11:34

At this point i just cannot be arsed. My posts remain, apart from the one that said I wouldn't engage further with Kangaroo as they appeared to be trolling.

The deleted posts from them were utter spurious nonsense.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2025 11:36

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:32

She didn’t “berate” women.

Other people are also capable of reading posts, as you point out 🤷‍♀️

Datun · 28/03/2025 11:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2025 11:36

Other people are also capable of reading posts, as you point out 🤷‍♀️

Quite

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/03/2025 12:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/03/2025 11:36

Other people are also capable of reading posts, as you point out 🤷‍♀️

Indeed we are. 😃

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/03/2025 13:51

Now they've stopped funding DV research on homicide of pregnant women because DEI. That on top of restricting women's access to sexual health services and calling himself

Trump is destroying women's rights and services in his purge of DEI and his claim of being the Fertilisation President is downright scary. He is creating Gilead.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-admin-pulls-research-funding-protection-pregnant-women-domestic-violence_n_67e5bbf0e4b0e9fab0ffb1cc

Trump Admin Pulls Research Funding To Protect Pregnant Women From Domestic Violence

Homicide by an abusive partner is the leading cause of death for pregnant women in the U.S. – and researchers are gutted by the sudden cuts.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-admin-pulls-research-funding-protection-pregnant-women-domestic-violence_n_67e5bbf0e4b0e9fab0ffb1cc

nutmeg7 · 28/03/2025 14:31

MessinaBloom · 28/03/2025 11:32

She didn’t “berate” women.

Hmmm, I saw a great deal of twisting words, misrepresentation, insinuation, false logic, attempts to force posters to demonstrate their righteousness/purity of opinion by asking them to agree or disagree with statements, and a general need to frame any discussion into left/right = good/evil framework alongside telling posters off for perceived wrong opinions.

In the end, this tribalism and attempts at forcing others to join in with virtue signalling detract from a decent conversation and interesting debate. It’s boring and a waste of everyone’s time.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 16:28

NotBadConsidering · 25/03/2025 22:50

Planned Parenthood is one of the biggest providers of puberty blockers and wrong sex hormones for children in the US. Testosterone in particular:

https://www.thefp.com/p/how-did-planned-parenthood-become

If that's so then shutting them down is probably a good thing - though just stopping them handing out puberty blockers would be better. Women in the US have trouble enough getting contraptive advice as it is!