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Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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TempestTost · 27/03/2025 21:45

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If this is what you are getting from all the posts here, you are not understanding them. No one has said anything like this.

withthegreatestrespect · 27/03/2025 21:46

Now did you actually have any further opinion on these cuts and the right wing agenda or do you still just have an issue with me posting mine?

No, post away. It's just that we can have all these discussions about Trump and reproductive rights and the patriarchy and so on IRL with our friends and families and in our women's groups and political parties. Women on here tend to focus the discussion on the huge MRA issue that we are not allowed to talk about anywhere else. If no-one wants to engage with you I suggest that is because you are coming across as snippy, judgemental, arrogant, rude and with some sort of a hidden agenda. Sorry, but it is what it is.Flowers

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2025 21:59

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 21:42

From a feminist and women's right perspective though, not as part of a right wing agenda. I remember the days on this board inundated with accusations that just because some on the right also happened to hold one similar viewpoint didn't mean we were right wing. It's weird to see so many posters who used to agree on that now claiming to hold other values matching the right as far as their agenda for women. Abortion is a sex based rights issue. The fact you think I should go and "chit chat" about it somewhere else is very telling particularly on a thread where you've made it pretty clear you agree with restricting abortion and even parroted off the age old anti choice propaganda about how it's actually for women's own good.

I don't agree with either of those things, you don't seem to be able to understand any of the points being made.

It's called 'feminism chat', that other place that they don't talk about sex and gender, which you'd know if you'd been here any length of time.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 22:01

TempestTost · 27/03/2025 21:39

You are not understanding.

Feminism is not one hard set of policy positions. Feminists have many different viewpoints in many different topics, and even where they agree on a general point they may have widely differing views of how to deal with the issue politically.

And every feminist will also have views on how feminism interacts with other goods for other people, and society, and nature, because they all have their place and interests as well.

You don't get to define what policies define feminism, which has a huge and varied discourse internally and externally.

I'd also point out that defining "reproductive rights" according to your own view of what they entail, in a discussion of what reproductive rights might entail, is begging the question.

It's not about my personal view point, it's about feminist hard fought for gains on women's freedoms. It's all well and good for you to say "well actually some feminists define reproductive rights differently" as a hypothetical but that doesn't really hold up when those 'feminists' are spouting the same patrichal restrictions feminists fought against get us access to legal safe abortion. A right by the way that only very recently became UK wide, so I'm not going to let it slide when someone with a religious-right moral objection to women's reproductive freedoms wants to coopt the word feminist as a cover for their antichoice thetoric. That's not me defining feminism, it's feminism at its basic core being about the full social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. If you don't understand how reproductive freedom being taken out of the hands on men and legislature's with patriachal views isn't 100% necessary in order to achieve that then I don't know what to say to you. Feminists can hardly lots of viewpoints, a feminist can define themselves as religiously "pro life" for themselves but when they want to restrict other women's freedoms based on their POV their intention is no longer driven by feminism.

Kankangeroo · 27/03/2025 22:15

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SinnerBoy · 27/03/2025 22:37

Kankangeroo · Yesterday 15:07

That's not what 'gender-affirming hormone replacement therapy' is. That means cross sex hormones. And/or puberty blockers.
And again an adult taking said hormones isn't a child be sterilised.

It's probably been pointed out already, but... wrong sex hormones and puberty blockers, as boasted of by PP most certainly is sterilising children.

NotBadConsidering · 27/03/2025 22:37

I'm aware of the board, OP posted this here because trumps actions in particular he is using the trans issue to garner women's support for their agenda.

The suggestion that just because people support Trump’s specific policies protecting women’s sport and the medicalisation of children means they will inevitably fall into support for everything Trump does is wildly bonkers.

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 23:57

NotBadConsidering · 27/03/2025 22:37

I'm aware of the board, OP posted this here because trumps actions in particular he is using the trans issue to garner women's support for their agenda.

The suggestion that just because people support Trump’s specific policies protecting women’s sport and the medicalisation of children means they will inevitably fall into support for everything Trump does is wildly bonkers.

I have seen no such suggestion.
From @IwantToRetire's OP:

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

I have seen people seeming to justify Trump's cuts to women's services like PP because the cuts will also hit trans. That is mad.🤯 Women's rights and access to reproductive health services should not be used as a bargaining chip or collateral damage in the fight against trans encroachment.

Yes these cuts will piss off TRAs but they represent a massive loss to women. Such misogyny from the Trump administration is not a bug. It's a feature.

NotBadConsidering · 28/03/2025 00:22

TooBigForMyBoots · 27/03/2025 23:57

I have seen no such suggestion.
From @IwantToRetire's OP:

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

I have seen people seeming to justify Trump's cuts to women's services like PP because the cuts will also hit trans. That is mad.🤯 Women's rights and access to reproductive health services should not be used as a bargaining chip or collateral damage in the fight against trans encroachment.

Yes these cuts will piss off TRAs but they represent a massive loss to women. Such misogyny from the Trump administration is not a bug. It's a feature.

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The suggestion was from the poster I took the quote from, because the suggestion is in the bit I quoted.

HTH.

AlisonDonut · 28/03/2025 03:14

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So you asked why people specifically post about 'trans' here and I explained that this was the board that sex and gender discussions are hived off into.

You asked what possible 'feminist analysis' could be given to explain why abortion isn't just a 'body automony' issue in the USA. I gave some minor reasons for these and you start ranting to me about right wing tropes and insulting me.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:13

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 08:28

I mean it sounds to me that folk are pointing out the bleeding obvious: that Mumsnet FWR is (and always has been) used by posters with an ultimate patriarchal agenda to manipulate those who are naive enough to believe that trans rights are the single biggest issue facing women today.

So that is used as a smokescreen to convince women to agree with the wholesale devastation of reproductive services that are proven to save lives.

Because someone, somewhere was given testosterone once, right? So therefore we must stop access to all those life saving abortions, contraception, support for rape victims, treatment and prevention of STIs.

This board is not populated in the main by women who care about women, it is populated by those fueling an agenda that will ultimately work against women. As this thread demonstrates.

Mumsnet HR are fully aware of this by the way, they have access to the posting stats.

Um, it's about WOMENS rights. Not 'trans rights'.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:16

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 08:48

They have access to data on posting patterns, ISPs and use of VPNs.

And that data would show overwhelmingly that bar 3 or 4 Mens Rights/'trans rights' Activists, every poster on this board cares deeply about womens sex-based rights.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:18

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 08:59

No threat whatsoever, just pointing out that Mumsnet are aware of how FWR is targeted, as it seems like many posters don't know this.

Yes we all know FWR is targeted by Mens Rights Activists. That's no secret. You aren't telling us anything new there.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:24

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 09:10

But as long as PP is doing what they're doing, then they're giving the Republicans perfect cover, because what the Republicans are doing can be justified, and is right, regardless of motivation.

This is very naive, as though the republicans and right wing interests haven't been attacking PP relentlessly before the trans issue. You really think they would stop? Do you truly believe the Republicans actually have an issue solely with the 35k or so patients they see for hormones and not the millions of patients they see for contraception or abortion? Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women. PP have always operated on the principal of bodily autonomy and access to healthcare for our bodies whether people politically agree with it or not. As far as I can see, PP don't do puberty blockers. They do cross sex hormones for adults (and 16+ with parental consent), any argument you want to use to support revoking the right of those people to access that care because you dislike it could and is used to argue against access to contraception and abortion.

any argument you want to use to support revoking the right of those people to access that care because you dislike it could and is used to argue against access to contraception and abortion.

Abortion doesn't cause Osteoporosis in your 20s, lack of intellectual development, narrow spine or faecal and urinary incontinence. Not even remotely the same. These wrong-sex hormones are not 'healthcare'. It's like saying PP giving out Thalidomide for HG is 'healthcare' and lobotomies are 'healthcare'.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:25

PermanentTemporary · 26/03/2025 09:15

I agree that anyone who thinks PP will be 'safe' if it stops providing cross-sex hormones is naive, or thinks other people are. Musk wasn't waving a chainsaw around for nothing. Paula Leslie flogging indulgences in the White House isn't a feminist act.

Musk says his child died because they transitioned. That IS anti trans.

Musk says his child died because they transitioned. That IS anti trans.

I guess you've never heard of deadnames.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:26

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 09:17

And yet so many unprepared to stand up for the rights of millions of women to access life saving treatment, and happy to have this shut down for them.

Not one single person on this board has ever said anything even remotely like that. And you know it.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:35

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 14:10

Spreading misinformation about planned parenthood is really intelligent of a board that claims to be feminist. I'm not sure how you think posting something like that makes you sound any different to the quacks who speak of PP murdering babies for body parts. Go on, how many children have they 'sterilised'?

You really don't know that these 'cross-sex' hormones do in deed and in fact sterilise people?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:39

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 15:03

Is saying it's dangerous to parrot right wing smearing of a service that is under constant attack by right wing groups because in most places it's the sole provider of abortion smearing UK feminists as right wing?

Just who on here is parroting "right wing smearing"?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:42

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 15:16

That's a lot to post to answer that you don't know a number of children that were even patients let alone children sterilised. It's perfectly possible to say "I don't want PP to provide gender affirming care" without leaping to"this organisation sterilises children", just as anti choice campaigns could say they disagree with abortion without having to make up that PP is murdering babies for body parts.

Also, have you heard of Bill Cassidy before ?

That's a lot to post to answer that you don't know a number of children that were even patients let alone children sterilised.

How many children sterilised is enough for you? For me, even one is one too many.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:43

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 15:20

I don't see everything in a left wing / right wing view, but it would be unfactual to say the attack on abortion rights isn't coming from the right wing. Why is that verboten to say..?

I didn't say it was right wing to be against gender affirming care. Smearing a key organisation for women's healthcare with the kind of unfactual scare tactics words that mimic the right wing attacks on their abortion services is an odd choice when you claim to be pro women's rights.

Smearing a key organisation for women's healthcare with the kind of unfactual scare tactics

I have not seen one person on this thread do that. So why are you making things up that are not true?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 05:53

suggestionsplease1 · 26/03/2025 18:40

I'm sure you'll understand I have no wish to lay myself open to potential legal action either.

Sidestepping - don't make me laugh.

It is the dominant narrative of Mumsnet FWR to sidestep the huge issues impacting the health, wellbeing, social and economic rights of women by instead insisting on a myopic obsession with trans rights that plays right into the Trump playbook, shoring up his regime and legitimising his damaging policies, undermining women everywhere.

Again, it's about WOMENS rights, not 'trans rights'. It never, ever, EVER was about 'trans rights'. Er, that's the entire point.

And if women cannot be defined, cannot participate in society because there are no safe facilities for women to go; our economic, physical and emotional health are stuffed.

It ALL comes back to defining women to defend women and to providing safe health and facilities for women to go. It's basically the lynchpin womens rights revolves around.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:03

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:03

Such a nebulous question. I didn't make the assertion that children are being sterilised, perhaps those who have could tell us how many they believe it to be which justified them supporting PP being destroyed, then surely it's easier for me to agree or disagree with them when we know the scale. When you're advocating women affectively losing the right to abortion nationwide because there are no providers, are you saying that even 16 year old making a decision they could later regret is too many and therefore worth the sacrifice? If so, that's can be your opinion but your motivation certainly isn't protecting women's rights.

It's a fact that children, even at 16, are being given cross sex hormones at PP. PP admit this. That, is child sterilisation. Therefore, we KNOW it occurs. PP admit it. So whether it is one or 579 doesn't matter.

No one is losing the right to abortion. The Federal government has never funded abortion in PP anyway.

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 06:07

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 21:22

PP is the biggest provider nationwide. There is no evidential basis to claiming their closure wouldn't impact women because you've named one state with other providers.

That's kind of how bodily autonomy works for adults, there's loads of procedures I don't think people should do but I'm not going to advocate for the state to prevent them doing it when the state can and will extend that to women's access to abortion. I haven't supported or argued against CSH, I'm saying if that's your focus over womens access to abortion care, and your happy for the nations largest provider to be scrapped, then women's rights aren't your priority

if that's your focus over womens access to abortion care, and your happy for the nations largest provider to be scrapped

Abortion care is not affected by this freeze in funding, as no Federal funding went to abortion care anyway.

Therefore even mentioning abortion care in the same sentence as the freeze in funding makes no sense. PP will still exist, it is primarily funded outside government. No one is suggesting that PP will be scrapped, it won't ever be.

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