Terf signals/colours

[hurdigurdi]

Do you wear anything like a badge, scarf etc or carry anything (such as a key ring or visible sticker on something) that signals your terfiness?

I was thinking of making something in suffragette colours to wear or use but just looking for ideas.

I see @frenchnoodle is continuing to prescribe what women here should think. I had a very similar exchange with yesterday, including being told I didn't know what feminism was.

I know a horrifyingly large number of so-called feminists who support Gender Ideology, which as we know is Men's Rights Activism. Hell, I have one foot in Wales where women like Jane Hutt, long-time Labour politician and once a full-on, effective, trustworthy feminist, talk about making Wales the most feminist and most trans-friendly country in the world, apparently unaware that the two are mutually incompatible.

Please stop this. There is obviously some problem with using "you" for referral to a group in this type of context with I am not aware of. Perhaps "we" is better in context, although incorrect English?

I have repeatedly made my intentions clear and have explained and re-explained what I mean. At this point constantly calling back to what is clearly a mistake communication is unneeded.

Sorry, I think I'd thought I was responding to @frenchnoodle who doesn't include transmen in her (I'm presuming) feminism. It was a busy morning, yesterday!

Totally agree that TIMs can never be women, lesbians or feminists.

In claiming the word TERF you narrow the size of the group.

I am gender critical. So is my husband, so are my two teenage sons. So is my father. We are a strong and powerful voice as gender critical people. Its a group that encompasses people at both ends of the political spectrum (and in fact all the way along the spectrum).

Neither my husband, my father nor my two teenage sons would ever call themselves a radical feminist.

What are you talking about? I can't explain any more clearly than I already have I don't know how to.

You have misread or misunderstood multipule posts of mine if you think this

Check back to my previous post yesterday at 15:29 Before you make any more of these claims about me repeatedly on this thread.

I can wear those little colored stones on a necklace.
If some weirdo takes offense - what? These are the birthstones of my children! And they can stomp their feet and storm off.

If someone gives me a knowing nod … I’ll nod right back.

womenarepeopletoo.co.uk/product/suffragette-charm-necklace/

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Some feminists are TWAW

They really aren't. They might try to claim the term 'feminist' for themselves but they can't claim that men are women and claim to support women. One or the other. The two cannot co-exist.

I might say “some people who call themselves feminists, particularly the liberal kind are TWAW…”

I agree though, they’re not really feminists if they centre TW men in any way.

@hurdigurdi : "Anyhow, I’m also a textile endeavouring radical feminist and I embrace that whole heartedly."

Me too! And as such, I am going to crochet a little dinosaur in suffragette colours (a terfosaurus?). And add a "Rights!" poster to its paws (great idea up-thread).
Everyone knits comfort chicken, I'll have a comfort dino.

I have one each of these.

https://forwomen.scot/badges/

An advert for this fabric keeps showing up in my social media feeds and I’m wondering if I should sew a garment with it and channel Elaine Miller (Gussie Grippers).

oh and I’d respond to “accusations” that I’m a terf with a clarification that I consider myself a MERF. (M being male).

https://www.dalstonmillfabrics.co.uk/abstract-vajayjay-cotton-print.html?srsltid=AfmBOorw-9aoUuo26GTt6JaWH4Hy90DoifEPSfWuO_mTcWQqrOMsP6ki

World athletics have just introduced mandatory testing for all womens categories - Halle bloody lujah - surely the beginning of the end of all the nonsense

This is wonderful news! I need to crochet something terfy/suffragetty/woman’s rightsy to celebrate!

@hurdigurdiI am, by many people’s standards, quite mildly gender critical. But I don’t believe that TWAW. My DD finds this incredibly upsetting- in the same way that I would have been upset if my own much loved mother had been overtly racist. So the only way we can maintain a relationship we both value is to put the whole subject in a box and lock it away. I suspect that part of her distress is that she genuinely believes that TWAW-but also she knows that I am progressive and liberal in my views, brought her up to be too and was an active and visible campaigner in the past and she has always been proud of having a Greenham Common/Gay Pride marching/Rock against Racism/MilliTant mother. She just can’t get her head round what feels like huge cognitive dissonance.

I have a small baryonyx on my lanyard. And I quite often dress in green white and violet (give women votes!)
Like pps I can't bear it that young women object to suffragette jewellery! Make them watch Mary Poppins!

💔

Reclaiming the word Terf makes me very uneasy.

It wasn’t just a slur - there were (and still are) large groups of men literally calling for Terfs to be raped and killed - it was more akin to a fatwa than a slangy slur.

Women have lost too much - jobs, careers etc to suddenly start to be encouraged to wear it as a jokey label - there is nothing funny about being labelled a Terf.

Having recently suffered two extremely traumatic experiences when some bright spark decided to mix the sexes (including putting a trans women in the next bed to me and psychotic man opposite me) in the hospital ward - I am very much looking for a badge that doesn’t act as a call to violence.

I would prefer something like:

Bio woman
I Am Woman

I’m sure better labels will emerge.

I would wear such a badge next to the DNR badge

Sending to CurlewKate for the difficulties trans-ism has caused between her and her DD
and to graceinspace999 for the awful experiences you had in hospital.

@MarieDeGournaythank you.

@CurlewKate I have these issues too, but don’t think mine would clock vintage suffragette stuff as connected to current travails. I have a tiny Dinny Hall suffragette necklace, but it really is almost invisible. . I am very tempted by the heretic necklace on a site referenced upthread. Maybe that could actually be thought provoking in a useful way . My youngest believed herself trans for some time and has very close friendships with some transidentified young people. I think she is starting to feel quite uncomfortable as her feminist consciousness continues to be raised . I understand her loyalty to her friends, and I don’t want her to think I hate them, because, of course, I don’t. Just hate the damage that’s been done to them.

LWS sells a great pen that says “identifies as a sword”

I’m a proud Terf and have a scarf in suffragette colours from Let Women Speak, which I wear often. I’d like a Terf tartan scarf too but haven’t got round to buying one.

I’m not keen on “reclaiming” slurs- in the same way I don’t use “queer”. The only word I am happy to add to “feminist” is “radical.” I’d like to find a way to express gender critical views the isn’t “trans exclusionary”. I don’t want to exclude trans people- I want to find a way of co existing. Difficult though that is proving to be.

I’m uneasy about terf too - it normalises an offensive slur and requires people (women) whose beliefs are rooted in fact and biological reality to play along with it. Perfectly happy to accept some men wish to present their idea of womanhood to the world through their dress, but that anlso needs to include reining in their inherent male entitlement. Keeping their male bodies out of single sex spaces is such a simple thing to do - but that inherent entitlement bestowed upon them from birth overrides their ability to do so.