Sweden: most convicted rapists foreign born.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

Sweden: number six in the top world ten for rape.

A rather questionable slant on the issue - or at least in the title.

The article itself says

But Sweden had thousands more reported rapes, and there is no ethnic breakdown for those.

ie if the male concerned is a blue eyed blonde, how quickly does a case get dropped because the woman isn't thought to be a reliabel witness.

Sweden has a long record of failing to prosecute rapists, not forgetting Assange https://www.greennet.org.uk/network/news/sweden-has-worst-rape-conviction-record-europe

Would be interested to know the ethnic breakdown of those reported. It’s a shame there’s no data as it means it’s not easy to get a clear picture. Are rapists disproportionately immigrants, or are immigrant rapists disproportionately prosecuted?

Oh OK. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Why the fuss? Obviously false. I apologise for posting false information. Women are not or very rarely raped in Sweden. This is all totally false information as the BBC will very soon tell us.

https://unherd.com/2021/04/swedens-migrant-rape-crisis/

No one has said that. Immigrants are obviously overrepresented but that may be in rapists, prosecuted rapists, or both.

Neither me nor the other poster have said it’s all false, just that there’s missing data.

Sure.

No one has said that. Immigrants are obviously overrepresented but that may be in rapists, prosecuted rapists, or both.
Neither me nor the other poster have said it’s all false, just that there’s missing data.

It may well be an accurate representation, but we will never know as all the facts are not included.

Let alone the women who dont report.

Instead of implying somehow other posters are denying something why dont you articulate what it is that you think is the important point.

Also just realised that article is nearly 7 years old. And that until May 2018 in Sweden for a rape to be considered a rape it had to also be proven that there was violence involved, as if rape is not by default violent.

This is the first article that came up when I googled “Sweden rape ethnicity” (above the BBC article from 2018 in the OP - this is from this year. I’m not very good at analysing academic studies but perhaps someone else might be more on it. I’m not sure it’s saying what the OP says though.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611#:~:text=Considering%20origin%2C%2036.9%25%20(n,outside%20Sweden%20(Table%201).

The article linked by @Ddakjidoes say that men in Sweden convicted of rape are more likely to be immigrants. But that still doesn’t tell is if the reason is (1) more migrants committed rapes or (b) migrants who are accused of rape are more likely to be convicted by a biased court system.

to give an example, say there were 1000 migrant men and 1000 Swedish men. In each group, there are 10 rapists. But 5 of the migrant rapists are prosecuted and convicted. Whereas when the “friendly looking” Swedish man who knows the local banter comes before the police and the court, he is more likely to be believed and less likely to be convicted. So only 2 of the Swedish men end up in prison.

that type of bias would give stats like these.

You see, this sort of response might make us think you had an agenda...

Or is it possible that men coming from wildly misogynistic societies where women have no rights might have a greater tendency to commit acts of VAWG? It’s not bizarre, it actually seems quite likely on the face of it. Worth exploring.

why is a female dominated site so eager to shut down the possibility of this being an issue?

it’s like the Guardian ignoring the sexual assaults on NYE in cologne because it made immigrant men look bad.

I bet it's not.
I bet it just has good reporting of rape.

Interesting to see this from the BBC

Our conviction rate is tiny, so the profile of those convicted speaks only to the justice system. As PPs have said, it may well be the case that foreign-born men are more likely to be convicted.

If, and this is totally not proven by the current figures, but IF it’s the case that men born in Sweden are less likely to commit rape, then that is fantastic news for women the world over.

it would mean that it’s possible to change the culture and raise men who are not complete fucking waste of space harmful dangerous damaging arseholes.

Why people try to use these dubious figures to shit on foreigners instead of asking what Sweden has been doing right and replicating it is another question.

Yes, this must be evident to anyone who’s spent an afternoon in the country. It’s clearly relatively safe for women.

Assange escaped when the Swedish police wanted to interview him. It's not like they didn't try.

I agree.

Ah those poor foreign rapists - my heart bleeds.

and your post is so internally inconsistent your head must hurt

if Swedish culture produces men who are less likely to rape as you have said would be god news (indeed) - then quite obviously it means those foreign cultures must be more likely to rape.

there are many non Swedish cultures around the world that are far more misogynistic and supportive of rpae than Sweden. This is hardly ground breaking news. Nor is it a shock that men from those cultures who move to Sweden are more likely to rape women.

why do women always come bottom of the politically correct league table

if you believe that men shouldn’t rape women then you have to also accept that you can’t believe all cultures are equally “valid”. Some cultures are better than others

A lot of people have been taught, from a young age, and in school, that there are no substantive differences between the moral values of differernt cultures.

Usually not consistently, since they are also taught that western culture is uniquely bad, but I think they are actively discouraged from thinking about the possibility that any culture may have some really bad or exploitative beliefs. And it's really hard to change that habit or even recognize the assumption behind it.

But also, I think some strands of feminist discourse discourage that kind of realization, because of the insistence that western culture is so bad and rapey, the idea that it's fully committed to keeping down women and does nothing to mitigate those tendencies in men.

I think that's largely untrue, and our culture has actually done a lot to make those views unacceptable and shape men to restrain that kind of thing and to respect women. Enough so that it compares pretty well to cultures that don't do that. But if your assumption is that society in the UK is ok with rape etc, maybe it's hard to realize that some other cultures may be even more ok with that kind of thing,

Nobody is "shutting down the debate" but just saying not all the stats are there to draw a conclusion either way.

And the idea that those of us on FWR are unaware of different cultural values is just ridiculous.

What is sad if that instead of engage in and expanding the discussion there are always a few who immediately jump in and imply their is an agenda.

Whereas it could have been just as easy to jump in and accuse the OP of having an agenda.

No one has tried to shut it down, though.
People have simply pointed out that significant data is missing.
Your theory is valid as speculation - but as it stands, that's all it is.

I'd be interested to know if migrants have to give DNA and fingerprints when they arrive. That would potentially make them easier to convict.