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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/03/2025 22:54

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2025 14:24

And say that it's true. That for example, Romanian men or Indian are much more likely to be rapists. I don't really understand why we'd prefer Romanian or Indian women to be raped than Swedish women.

Focusing on immigration does rather imply that we'd rather those brown women suffered than us. Promoting women's rights everywhere should bring down rape everywhere. Importing and exporting rapists doesn't stop rape. It just means women with less resources suffer it.

And say that it's true. That for example, Romanian men or Indian are much more likely to be rapists.

Under that circumstance, we should admit the women as immigrants and reject the men.

Which, TBH, is how I think we should deal with immigration from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, or anywhere else where women have a lesser status than men in law. When the men realise that their international mobility is harmed by how they treat their women, and said women are leaving and being accepted as refugees in the same places that reject the men, the men will be motivated to overturn their Taliban, Wahabist, and FGM-supporting governments.

BeanieSue · 19/03/2025 00:20

Ddakji · 17/03/2025 20:27

This is the first article that came up when I googled “Sweden rape ethnicity” (above the BBC article from 2018 in the OP - this is from this year. I’m not very good at analysing academic studies but perhaps someone else might be more on it. I’m not sure it’s saying what the OP says though.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611#:~:text=Considering%20origin%2C%2036.9%25%20(n,outside%20Sweden%20(Table%201).

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08862605241311611

It is really worth reading this article from a peer reviewed academic journal both for the results and the discussion section. The analysis is adjusted for various factors including different kinds of behaviour such as criminal behaviour or alocohol or drug addiction and length of time in Sweden.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/03/2025 12:28

https://on.ft.com/4ig4mPz
I've linked articles from The Times, The BBC, Unherd and The Financial Times.
Are these articles all written by Far Right Racists?

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/03/2025 12:36

One of the comments is that Sweden has done nothing to "integrate the newcomers" which appears to be a blatant lie as they've spent a lot of money on language and citizenship classes.
Why is it incumbent on any country to integrate people who've voluntarily chosen to go to a country? Integrate yourself and if you don't like their customs, leave. My parents migrated to the UK for a better life and they took full advantage of it. I also migrated for work to two European countries and the Far East. I didn't expect them to change their customs to suit me, let alone give me free classes in their language. I did learn the languages and made friends with local people.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 19/03/2025 14:11

Signalbox · 18/03/2025 18:17

This is such a bizarre argument. It’s human nature to want to keep ourselves and our families safe. Deliberately exposing yourself to risk so as not to appear racist is weird. We are not martyrs.

Unless OP, or others on the thread are Swedish, they aren't 'ourselves'. I think we just think of Swedish people as more 'us' than others.

I do agree with @selffellatingouroborosofhate that prioritising women from oppressive regimes that hate women is the right thing to do.

illinivich · 19/03/2025 15:01

But this is where the conversation is inconsistent.

If these men are migrating from misogynistic societies, why is it unthinkable that they are responsible for a disproportionate number of sexual abuse? If they arent, why should we prioritise women migrants over men? Would a campaign to educate Afghan women in europe be unthinkable or not?

We will never know what is going on until we collect and analyse data, but then any attempt to do so is seen as racist or usless becauses its always going to be incomplete, or western courts and juries are systemically prejudice against certain races or immigrants.

We are in danger of creating a protected class of men and having more women abuse because the accusations of rasism is more hurtful to us.

Also, we are always comparing ourselves to different european countries because they are so similar to us. Both in terms of policy, attitudes and desired outcomes.

Signalbox · 19/03/2025 15:41

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/03/2025 14:11

Unless OP, or others on the thread are Swedish, they aren't 'ourselves'. I think we just think of Swedish people as more 'us' than others.

I do agree with @selffellatingouroborosofhate that prioritising women from oppressive regimes that hate women is the right thing to do.

I don’t think of Swedish people as more “us” than other people. I said it was human nature to want to protect ourselves. That applies to all humans.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/03/2025 19:42

I've read through the whole of that academic study linked upthread and the "startling" conclusion they come to is that "a dominant sentiment among the participants is that the influx of Western practices and cultures might be a catalyst for sexual violence. Provocative body language and attire, often associated with Western culture, were identified as potential triggers. As immigrants navigate in their new country, they might be disproportionately influenced by these cultural factors, potentially leading to a heightened inclination towards commiting sexual crimes,"
That's OK then. The poor ickle guys who've gone to a foreign country where women are free need to punish them.

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/03/2025 19:44

And they're triggered! Lol 😆 🤣 😂

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/03/2025 21:26

YourAmplePlumPoster · 19/03/2025 19:42

I've read through the whole of that academic study linked upthread and the "startling" conclusion they come to is that "a dominant sentiment among the participants is that the influx of Western practices and cultures might be a catalyst for sexual violence. Provocative body language and attire, often associated with Western culture, were identified as potential triggers. As immigrants navigate in their new country, they might be disproportionately influenced by these cultural factors, potentially leading to a heightened inclination towards commiting sexual crimes,"
That's OK then. The poor ickle guys who've gone to a foreign country where women are free need to punish them.

So let the women in and not the men.

It's not the women that do the raping.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 07:04

Have you noticed who's coming in on the small boats?

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/03/2025 12:13

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 07:04

Have you noticed who's coming in on the small boats?

It's a shame we left the EU, and in the process ended our agreement with France to process asylum seekers in Calais. The numbers of small boats has shot up since then because of that.

This country has thousands of miles of coastline with beaches everywhere. Without France's cooperation to stop the asylum seekers from buying and setting out in the boats, we simply cannot stop them from landing here. Our own history of the Dunkirk Evacuation, where hundreds civilian small vessels helped to evacuate hundreds of thousands of troops whilst being shelled from land, bombed by aircraft, and sailing through naval minefields, should tell you that we cannot blockade the Channel against small boats.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 18:32

Wow! Did you read that extract from the sociology report that was linked by another poster in PDF format that I quoted? Do you think letting in unvetted men be they adults or teenagers may pose a risk especially to women? Do you remember the Albanian who came in on the back of a lorry and murdered Sabina Nessa? Her murder was under the radar as there was the high profile rape and murder of Sarah Everard in the same year. It seems that judges and courts here are unwilling or unable to deport even convicted rapists or foreign criminals convicted of SA so what would be the point of vetting them in France? How exactly do you vet them?

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/03/2025 18:58

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 18:32

Wow! Did you read that extract from the sociology report that was linked by another poster in PDF format that I quoted? Do you think letting in unvetted men be they adults or teenagers may pose a risk especially to women? Do you remember the Albanian who came in on the back of a lorry and murdered Sabina Nessa? Her murder was under the radar as there was the high profile rape and murder of Sarah Everard in the same year. It seems that judges and courts here are unwilling or unable to deport even convicted rapists or foreign criminals convicted of SA so what would be the point of vetting them in France? How exactly do you vet them?

  1. At least they were getting vetted in France.
  2. If we were still getting the French to process them, we could say "no adult men from countries X and Y".
You haven't suggested any kind of mechanism for keeping the small boats from getting here. You can froth "stop the boats!" until you are blue in the face, but without answering how, you are just flapping your gums.
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/03/2025 19:00

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 18:46

By the way, the virtue signalling lefties evicted refugees from their theatre in Paris. Oh my sides.
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/03/18/police-evict-more-than-400-young-migrants-from-iconic-paris-theatre-after-monthslong-occup

This has nothing to do with the birth place of rapists in Sweden, nor does it have anything to do with the birth place of rapists in the UK.

It might have something to do with property law in France.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 20:02

I am more interested in your answer about keeping illegal migrants out of the UK which might entail YOU "flapping your gums." Unless you agree with it. Please feel free to add your contributions.

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 20:07

This thread proves that virtue signalling left feminists care nothing about women being exposed to sexual predators from foreign countries. Just like most of them turned a blind eye to the Pakistani rape gangs. Case proved. Over and Out 😅

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EasternStandard · 20/03/2025 21:33

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 20/03/2025 12:13

It's a shame we left the EU, and in the process ended our agreement with France to process asylum seekers in Calais. The numbers of small boats has shot up since then because of that.

This country has thousands of miles of coastline with beaches everywhere. Without France's cooperation to stop the asylum seekers from buying and setting out in the boats, we simply cannot stop them from landing here. Our own history of the Dunkirk Evacuation, where hundreds civilian small vessels helped to evacuate hundreds of thousands of troops whilst being shelled from land, bombed by aircraft, and sailing through naval minefields, should tell you that we cannot blockade the Channel against small boats.

What do you mean ended our agreement to process in France?

Do you mean the very low number under the Dublin Agreement? Where we took more than returned and it was a few hundred

PinkFrogss · 20/03/2025 23:50

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 20:07

This thread proves that virtue signalling left feminists care nothing about women being exposed to sexual predators from foreign countries. Just like most of them turned a blind eye to the Pakistani rape gangs. Case proved. Over and Out 😅

What do you think should be done?

You say your parents migrated to the UK, do you think your dad shouldn’t have been allowed to, as in your opinion as a foreign national he is more likely to be a rapist?

Perhaps if there was proper data it would be easier to see exactly where the problem lies, but at the moment the data is too crap for any conclusions to be drawn.

BeanieSue · 20/03/2025 23:59

Perhaps if there was proper data it would be easier to see exactly where the problem lies, but at the moment the data is too crap for any conclusions to be drawn.

In the study linked above the data does not seem crap at all. There are plenty of results and there is a considered discussion of the results.

PinkFrogss · 21/03/2025 00:03

BeanieSue · 20/03/2025 23:59

Perhaps if there was proper data it would be easier to see exactly where the problem lies, but at the moment the data is too crap for any conclusions to be drawn.

In the study linked above the data does not seem crap at all. There are plenty of results and there is a considered discussion of the results.

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It’s crap because it only looks at those convicted, which sadly is only a small percentage of actual rapists.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/03/2025 12:18

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 20:02

I am more interested in your answer about keeping illegal migrants out of the UK which might entail YOU "flapping your gums." Unless you agree with it. Please feel free to add your contributions.

There isn't an option, other than rejoin the EU and get the French to stop them from launching the boats again.

If we don't rejoin the EU, there is no option to keep them out. It is physically impossible to patrol our coastline. We couldn't even keep German spies out during WW2.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/03/2025 12:20

YourAmplePlumPoster · 20/03/2025 20:07

This thread proves that virtue signalling left feminists care nothing about women being exposed to sexual predators from foreign countries. Just like most of them turned a blind eye to the Pakistani rape gangs. Case proved. Over and Out 😅

It proves nothing of the sort. You are, as always, acting as though the problem isn't men of all races.

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 12:27

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/03/2025 12:18

There isn't an option, other than rejoin the EU and get the French to stop them from launching the boats again.

If we don't rejoin the EU, there is no option to keep them out. It is physically impossible to patrol our coastline. We couldn't even keep German spies out during WW2.

Why does joining the EU stop the problem?

Other EU countries are struggling with the same issue. No one is saying sure send them all back here, as the French wouldn’t either.

Why do you think being in the EU solves this when it hasn’t for those still part of it?

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