Sweden: most convicted rapists foreign born.

[YourAmplePlumPoster]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

That’s a source with a lot of agenda behind it.

That graph for starters is terrible. So 23% of people who are convicted of sexual crimes are either of a foreign nationality or unknown nationality. Apparently about 16.8% of the population in England and Wales are foreign nationals (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/internationalmigrationenglandandwales/census2021)

So unless by some bizarre coincidence all of those convicted with an unknown nationality are foreign nationals then it seems pretty proportional to the population.

And then of course there’s the fact it looks only at those convicted, the piss poor prosecution and conviction rates of rapists and other sexual offences make any analysis based on data only of those convicted is inherently flawed.

This is such a bizarre argument. It’s human nature to want to keep ourselves and our families safe. Deliberately exposing yourself to risk so as not to appear racist is weird. We are not martyrs.

From the data source linked in the most recent post from the OP:

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/over-100000-foreign-national-convictions

There were 16,771 convictions for sexual offences, with a known nationality, between 2021 and 2023 and migrants accounted for 2,500 of these. This is 15% of sexual offence convictions during this time period.
A further 1,652 convictions were of individuals where the nationality was “unknown”. This means that between up to 23% of all sexual offence convictions could have been of foreign nationals.

and further down:

The UK has an acute problem with effectively prosecuting and convicting perpetrators of rape and sexual offences. Between 2021 and 2023 there were 535,500 sexual offences recorded by the police. This means the conviction rate is just 3.1%.

And that second part is the real issue here. How can you draw any conclusion on who is most likely to commit a sexual offence when you’re only looking at 3% of those committed, without even opening the entire can of worms that is unreported offences.

Stats are stats
https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/nearly-two-thirds-of-convicted-rapists-in-sweden-are-migrants-or-

The source is a university in Sweden. Those renowned academics from the Far Right lol.

Again OP, convicted.What proportion of rape reports in Sweden result in a conviction? If it is a very high percentage then any analysis based on data from convictions is much more relevant than data based on only a tiny percentage of rapists.

This thread has gone exactly as I thought it would. Let's let in people who we don't know anything about and put women and girls at risk so we look nice. And just hope for the best.

Two thirds of rapes in Sweden is by foreigners or foreign nationals. Plenty of documentaries about this. It's obvious who they are as it's no different in the UK especially regarding rape gangs.

Don’t we?

I think rational people would always consider whether a headline of “most people convicted of crime X share characteristic Y” was a sign that people Y were more likely to commit crime X, or just more likely to be convicted. And that’s doubly true for a crime with such an appallingly low conviction rate as rape.

I apologise for using such a trivial “crime” as a comparison but 75% of the people convicted for not paying their tv licence are women. Do we think women are more likely to not pay? Or are there other factors involved in the statistic of people actually convicted?

The truth is, Sweden is having massive problems with their 2015 plus intake with gun and gang violence, rapes and rocketing crime. It makes me wonder why a beautiful, peaceful country like Sweden has let people in who are so angry. What do they have to be angry about? Even more, what do lefties have to be angry about on their behalf? They live in nice flats with free education, health care and benefits in nice, peaceful, pleasant surroundings. I'd be glad if I was deported to Sweden or Norway. Frequent visitor to both countries.

Years ago, I was involved with Chilean exiles who were taken in by Sweden. The largest number of anywhere. Most of them stayed on in their adopted country and were extremely grateful for the welcome and hospitality they received.

I'd be glad if I was deported to Sweden or Norway. Frequent visitor to both countries.

Well, be careful. As a foreigner, you're more likely to be convicted of rape!

I don't know much about their legal system, would it be a jury or a judge trial? Or does it vary? Inherent, subconscious bias can make all the difference to the outcome. What was that Channel 4 show with the two juries for the same case, with the different verdicts?

The little I know about Sweden and the culture of misogyny, it's not a huge leap that for two identical cases, and only the accused differed, the nice respectable, Swedish native might well be favoured over the 'foreigner'... This is where 'reasonable doubt' comes into play, particularly with rape cases. The Swedish man gets the benefit of the doubt, while the foreigner gets the harsher conclusion drawn 'he must have done it' without the benefit of the doubt.

I have never heard anyone question the idea that most rapists are between 18 and 45. Ive never heard anyone claim that its ageist and we cannot possible say this because so much rape is not reported.

We use the information we have to keep ourselves safe, even when we know the data is incomplete.

You are being disingenuous by pretending that you 'rationally' dont use any rape data stats because the conviction rates are so low.

"The little I know about Sweden and the culture of misogyny, it's not a huge leap that for two identical cases, and only the accused differed, the nice respectable, Swedish native might well be favoured over the 'foreigner'"

is there any modern country today where that is not the case?

True, I did actually intend to include that and promptly forgot!

Oh my goodness. All of a sudden, Sweden is the most misogynist country on the planet and not because of the most recent imports. What a contrast to The Guardian or BBC over the years describing it as the ideal welfare state. How sad must Swedes feel to be described as backwards.

I don't recognise the picture of Sweden being presented in this thread, and I've lived there for 20 years.

I don't understand the poster who is so pro-mass immigration to such an extent that they accept rape and crime going up as a result.

It's blatantly obvious.

Sweden had a steady crime rate and sex crime rate for hundreds of years. They opened the floodgates to accept millions of immigrants with no background checks or rhyme or reason. The population has transformed in a very short time frame. (This is exactly what's happening in the UK).

Then coincidentally rape, sex assault, domestic violence and other crime has significantly increased in exactly the same timeframe.

Coincidence?????

You probably don't live in the ghettos of Sweden.

Sweden never used to have ghettos but now it does.

That seems like an odd conclusion to me? What are people in Sweden, or Europe, supposed to do about problems in India?

The city where my cousin lives has had problems recently with sectarian violence among recent immigrants from India. People can be concerned about importing that without thinking it's great that the people of India suffer that problem.

It doesn't. That's a myth put out by the Daily Mail.

I suspect that the larger context is that people are experiencing and seeing similar things in other places across Europe that have had this mass immigration over the past 10 years. And I can tell you it's been similar in Canada.

And that's not distinct from what many women who have traveled themselves have experienced in places like India or Egypt. There is a good reason people advise female tourists in India to avoid busses.

So to some extent it's true that people are inclined to see statistics like that as likely reflecting reality, because it fits in with what they are experiencing.

Stop lying. Sweden hasn't opened it's doors to millions of migrants at all. Sweden takes in around 100,000 a year and around 50,000 people emmigrate.

What a load of racist crap.

https://www.biometricupdate.com/202503/sweden-issues-rfi-for-new-abis-moldova-issues-biometric-hardware-tender

The agency [Swedish Migration Board] currently stores fingerprint data in a searchable format in the Swedish Police Authority’s ABIS and the Eurodac (European Dactyloscopy) information system.

So yes, it's a lot easier to identify a rapist if the fuzz already have his prints because he's an immigrant.