Sweden: most convicted rapists foreign born.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764

@2024onwardsandup you didn’t understand anything in my post. Read it again slowly?

You appear to think that I’m inconsistent because I am cautious about interpreting crap statistics. Do you see that as an ideological position? It really isn’t.

Sweden’s rape conviction rate is very low. Those convicted are unlikely to be a representative selection of those who commit rape. The weakness of the statistics may be disappointing to you, but it isn’t just possible to draw strong conclusions from them.

FWIW I think that misogyny is on the rise again in Sweden. Boys are targeted by Tate et al online, very high internet availability has meant massive porn use for a long time, there’s a persistent pro-pimp lobby trying to destroy our anti-sex-buying laws, and yes, a lot of kids have fathers who grew up in places where women did not have equal rights, and their influence isn’t being adequately counter-acted in schools. This all makes me very angry. We need to work out how Swedish feminist culture was built up, and get back to teaching it.

We also need to get much better at prosecuting rape, to give much longer sentences to rapists, and repeat offenders should not be let out again.

Oh Sweden, how you have fallen.

I can see why people are nervous about the race implications, but this is about foreign nationals, not about race.

If we are to reduce violence against women and girls, we cant avoid discussing patterns of male behaviour.

It makes sense that a group of young men, away from home and from very different cultures could be more likely to commit more crimes against women than the general population. Maybe we need to ensure that police do record this information?

I'd be interested to know if migrants have to give DNA and fingerprints when they arrive. That would potentially make them easier to convict.

I've often wondered about stranger vawg rates if all men had to routinely supply DNA.

I suspect as rape is so under-reported and convicted on that it wouldn’t be safe to just use those stats and would require much more nuanced, skilful research to get anywhere close to the real picture about rape. We know it’s always men though.

We dont worry about under reporting when looking at other factors - age of perpetrators and relationships to the victim, or where the attacks happen.

I just wish we could have a reasoned conversation about this without being accused of being racist. I feel like importing so many young men who come from very different cultures where women have even less rights than we do, are bound to cause problems. And women, as usual, are at the bottom of the pile. And this is something that is NEVER considered in policies about immigration. It's a recipe for disaster IMO and it's young women and girls that are going to pay the price...

Immigration is one of the most important feminist topics today, and dismissing it as anything but is pure, wishful delusion.

Well if you think you can explain in detail the 'culture' or whatever that makes black and brown men rape but makes white men rape less without being racist then knock yourself out.

In reality the problem is MEN. Men rape, each rapist is to blame for the crime.

It appears it's nigh on impossible here as well to deport foreign criminals accused of SA as this article in today's Times reports.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/spurious-asylum-cases-are-clogging-the-system-and-lawyers-are-cashing-in-s2fkhkjfw

When Woke ideology clashes with itself, the losers are always women.

Posters are trying to have a reasoned conversation about ‘this’. Speculation, as you are doing, is fine to some extent, especially speculation that has a logical basis behind it. This can be the seed for research. It would certainly be interesting and useful to know whether most rapists in Sweden are actually foreign-born. Is the convicted population of rapists representative of the entire body of Swedish rapists, especially when we consider the low rate of rape prosecutions?

The problem is that you and others have already decided the answer and the OP introduced statistics that were intended to back up this point of view. The statistics say what the statistics say, but the data is of limited value unless we have a fuller picture of the ethnic breakdown of men accused of rape. Other posters trying to open up the conversation have then been accused of the opposite!

I came to the conclusion some years ago that having conversations with white people about issues concerning race is a waste of time. The people you need to speak to are not the ones who want to know the truth, the ones who come to discussions with a fairly open mind. These people are already taking a more rounded view. The people I would like to expose to a different viewpoint and challenge some of their preconceptions, they have fixed views. You can debate all day long but they only want to hear things that back up what they already believe.

Are foreign born men more likely to rape than Swedish born men?

OR

Are foreign born men more likely to be convicted of rape than Swedish born men and is there a problem with the Swedish justice system?

We should not take the headline at face value. These two questions are important to look at properly. Is it a race issue or an inequality issue.

I echo the thoughts of PPs.

What is more important - women's safety, or wanting to be seen as anti-racist?

I'd like to see the statistics on education level and socio-economic status of the rapists. How many of those immigrants are holding a phd and how many Swedes in jail are actually from deprived areas?

The definition of rape in Sweden is broader than other countries. Sexual assaults that aren't classed as rape in the UK would be classed as rape in Sweden. Also in recording rape, each violation within a single assault is recorded as a seperate rape.

Or

Do men away from home with no family nearby to disappoint and are invisible behave differently than they otherwise would?

The same person at home or ten years later, with a family and a business might not dream of abusing women?

”Wildly misogynistic societies” like the EU & U.K.? As that is where the majority of foreign born residents of Sweden are from.

Why is it when you see “foreign born” and “rapist” your mind assumes brown Muslim men?

Given that immigrants come from a wide variety of cultures, why are you assuming it is their home culture that is causing some foreign born immigrants to rape instead of other societal factors? I think it’s likely to be a little more complex.

Sweden has a... reputation shall we say. You only have to the read Girl with the Dragon Tattoo to get even the smallest flavour of it (it's not just fiction, it's based on extensive research on VAWG in Sweden).

It's a convenient way to get their poor rape stats improving (even if only superficially and for headlines) with an added far-right agenda. "Blame the immigrants, because obviously if we had no immigrants, there would be no rape at all..."

Not forgetting that the original Swedish title of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is Men Who Hate Women.

Speculating but perhaps it's more to do with the nature of the rape and which rapes are more likely to lead to a conviction. If a woman is raped by a complete stranger on the street verses being raped in student digs by someone she has been friendly with for months this might mean there is more evidence than just hers. There is also likely to be a cultural element. Sadly we know that there are cultures where women are considered to be asking for it if they are not covered.

Wow. I didn't know that but it's true! Män som hatar kvinnor!

And say that it's true. That for example, Romanian men or Indian are much more likely to be rapists. I don't really understand why we'd prefer Romanian or Indian women to be raped than Swedish women.

Focusing on immigration does rather imply that we'd rather those brown women suffered than us. Promoting women's rights everywhere should bring down rape everywhere. Importing and exporting rapists doesn't stop rape. It just means women with less resources suffer it.

Are you trying to say that even if it were true, statistically speaking, that non-white men were significantly more likely to commit rape, you wouldn't think it was ok to talk about it because it would be a racist fact?

Because that is what it sounds like you are saying.

In truth, no one thinks it has anything to do with skin colour, it could be that there is a correlation with ethnicity, and therefore skin colour, but we all know that correlations often have no cause and effect between them.

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/bombshell-stats-the-state-doesnt?utm_medium=email
You asked for stats. These are about the UK. If you have better stats please produce them.