NHS Policy Audit - working party

[KnottyAuty]

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act protected characteristics please join here 😊

Second this. Ermine Amies has done some brilliant work.

If I remember, it had a lone woman who started to get into an elevator, saw there was a (huge, obvious) trans-identified man in there, and got back out again. This was labelled as horrible and bigoted, rather than the woman making a snap risk-assessment and deciding she would be safer taking the stairs.

What was to say that she wouldn't have taken the stairs if a huge obviously heterosexual man was in the lift?

The University of Edinburgh trans micro-agressions toolkit said something similar. That it was not acceptable to leave a toilet if you walked in and saw a transwoman there. You had to stay to validate his delusions (they didn't put it like that)

Well that’s the argument the ad was trying to make - that by treating the trans-identifying man as a man (and leaving for her safety) rather than the woman he clearly wanted to be was, she was performing a microaggression towards him.

Which of course is a perfect example of coercive control 🙄 A tactic much loved by transactivists.

So women have to stay in situations where they feel fearful? Their employer will force them to be scared (at best, because we all know these instinctive flight reactions are often with good cause)? They need to read de Becker's books.

Also, how far does it go? So the woman can't leave or she's a bigot. What if the man wants to expose himself - if she leaves THEN is she a bigot? What if he tries to STOP her leaving by force, let me guess she's still the bigot?

Sooo progressive.

Have you been following the case in the US where three teachers forced female students to undress and change in front of trans identifying boys? Stood in the doorway and prevented them from leaving apparently.

Yes, forced sexual harassment of girl children. It's basically the handmaids tale and they're the Aunt Lydias. Terrifying. And they wonder why the population supports Trump.

Ok @KnottyAuty I've done the two I said I'd do. Hope it helps, we'd have very little chance if it were not for 'What do they know'!

Thank you!
surprising that London is much more sparse than Scotland. Suggest they are busier or have less budget/time to be writing policies!?

Or aware they don't have air cover from above any more.

Woke up with the realisation that what we are missing is the excellent work of For Women Scotland and MBM. They totally laid the foundations for our search with campaigning over years. If you’re reading - thank you for your service!! 😅😍😎

In England it looks like there are a few hardy individuals David Bratt (relentless searches on Stonewall funding) and Ermine Amies (similar but on transgender staff and client policy).

These searches don’t align entirely with what we are searching for but I’m just so impressed with them. TBH there’s probably a story there for the press about the ordinary folk plugging away at these injustices for years. If you’re reading spot any other heroes tag them here!? We should keep a roll of honour

Great idea to have a roll of honour. The FOIs are so important as historical records of the Trust policies at another point in time. Hopefully there will soon be some move away from what are clearly contradictory, illegal, political activist driven policies that are not in the best interests of the vast majority of patients. When this happens (said with hope) it is important to have a record of what went wrong rather than allowing publicly funded institutions to sweep it under the carpet as if the failures never occurred.

For Women Scotland and MBM are proper heroines in this fight too. As well as so many on FWR.

Im struggling to finish my 3 : have got some links bookmarked but not managing to finalise . Anyone got time to take over? Newcastle, Northern Care Alliance and Darlington (well, for this last one we know general direction from the nurses‘ case but to flesh out)… Can PM you the work so far if someone has time.

Darlington will be a good one - but let’s pause for a moment as I’m a bit swamped with info coming in from all angles 🤣 a nice problem to have so thanks all!

It would be easier for me to stay on top of the back-end if we could pause the England wide searches for a couple of days to get London finished…

so if anyone has spare time or wants help with London do post here! the results are speeding in - you are all a brilliant bunch of wims 😍

I can do another London one

We aren't the only ones on the audit and analysis trail!

https://x.com/DeniseFahmy/status/1902408497414758460

@KnottyAuty If you want to send me another London one I should be able to get it done over the next day or so.

@FarriersGirl and @YellowRoom
all the London trusts have been allocated so to avoid doubling up we will need to wait for others to ask for help here…

But I’ve been wondering if we can prove the mixed sex via a different angle… could we find evidence of the trusts being stonewall champions?

Derailing for a min to link this from the Sussex uni fine thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5302074-university-of-sussex-fined-ps585000-by-office-for-students?reply=143174676&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Of interest here is the fact that the OfS found a large number of unis had policies that were basically cut and pasted from a single source, which interestingly wasn’t Stonewall. Just like we’re seeing in a lot of these NHS trusts.

If we find evidence that some Trusts have upheld women's rights to single sex spaces and care, I'd be very interested to see data on the rate of sexual assault in those Trusts relative to those where everything is mixed sex either by stealth or overtly (which is probably marginally better in that patients at least know in advance).

Has anyone looked at this?

We know the rate of sexual assault in the NHS is pretty appalling in general, and individual cases such as the woman raped on a 'woman's' ward who the NHS then went on to try and gaslight. We know in general sexual assault is higher in mixed sex vs female only spaces. It would be interesting in terms of impact of these policies. I bet the data exists to do it, although the reliability of data across Trusts may vary.

I'll certainly do some digging around. It used to be something that was often a badge on their websites but it may be all in one place somewhere on the net.

Found the list on Sex Matters @KnottyAuty all the public sector including NHS past and present [as far as they can verify]
https://sex-matters.org/about-us/what-we-are-up-against/keeping-track-of-stonewall/

I really like the way they've kept the names up of those that used to pay Stonewall and used strikethrough to show who's stopped. It's a nice visual and important too for accountability.

I still can't get over Ofsted. I mean it's great they left - in terms of implementing safeguarding law especially - but my trust in their ability to do what's best for children has been lost somewhat by the fact they ever thought this was a good idea. Their focus cannot have been on what was best for children rather than adults.

NHS Lothian had an FOI which asked about sexual assault - it came back something along the lines of there wasn’t a category in DATIX for sexual assault, so they couldn’t say if any had happened, so sorry, nothing to see here.

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