Lesbian mistaken for trans woman in woman's bathroom in Arizona

[Christinapple]

https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masculine-looking-cis-woman-confronted-by-cops-in-walmart-restroom-kalaya-morton-demands-justice-video/ar-AA1AdWpn

But I thought people "can always tell"?

It also led to the irony the only males in the bathroom were two male police officers who were notified by a store employee who mistakenly thought a male had entered the woman's toilets.

"In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton*, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.
Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. The saga began innocuously enough: Morton had entered the restroom with her ex-girlfriend, who was kindly handing her a tampon— an act of friendship that, unfortunately, soon spiraled into something far more troubling. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.” Imagine trying to pee in peace, only to have the police storm in like it’s an episode of Cops: Restroom Edition.
“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.
Now, while most people hope for a streamlined bathroom experience, Morton was treated more like a suspect than a bathroom user. The deputies apparently needed to crack the case of “Who Looks Like a Man in the Ladies’ Room,” a particularly absurd mystery, if you ask us."

No it isn't, because NO ONE has even mentioned the attacks by men simply walking into the toilets. The only people talked about on here, on twitter, or anywhere are trans women.

It's odd that there are two posters on this thread pushing the same line in irrelevant whataboutery.

It’s clearly a ‘theme’ for this thread.

They are ALL men, ffs.

Then try reading my posts and you might know.

I ask again, do pp think women on Mumsnet are in favour of other men, who don't identify as women, using women's spaces? Because we aren't. Hope that's crystal.

Then try reading my posts and you might know.

How about you explain it? Which "z list celeb"?

@Helpmelosemymind yep that would certainly fuck up any algorithm, dread to think what crap I'd see using words like that so much 😳

So a TRA
• who may or may not uploads images of sex acts and
• chooses to engage in a discussion with a third party
• on why he should be allowed into a female space and
• decided to upload an image of a sex act and
• tag that third party who is not in agreement with males being in a female space
is
○ the algorithm and/or
○ the third party's preferences

Wait, Helplosemymind, are you really saying that if women engage with transactivists on twitter and got sent dick pics, then it is their fault for getting sent dick pics? And if they follow a feminist account that is exposing the making of trans porn in womens facilities and then get sent more trans porn but then directly from the source, it is their fault for following a feminist account that exposes the consequences of allowing male perverts into womens spaces?

And the fact some of your friends got horribly bullied by some sm celebs is somehow the fault of women not wanting mixed sex spaces?

So how should women fight for single sex spaces? Is there a right eay that won't get turned back in them for daring to speak and challenge?

I find this attitude bizar

And the fact some of your friends got horribly bullied by some sm celebs is somehow the fault of women not wanting mixed sex spaces?

It's s different poster, but yes, apparently we're to blame.

I said I'm busy until this evening 🙂. I tend to only have time to read and reply late evening or early morning depending on my schedule.

I predict the thread will be full by then.

Quite! People are perpetuating their hyperfocus with their algorithms and online bubbles. Clearly they're unaware so I'm genuinely happy to help them discover if they simple stop tweeting solely about trans people in toilets with sexualised terms and stop watching trans porn, it will stop. At this point the content is probably being made for them as the primary audience 😂 Isn't it odd to them that the videos they're seeing is the exact type of stuff they're rage twweeting about?

The issue of people on MN saying it's acceptable for women to be abused by other women / be doxed / be randomly accused of being men IS a problem of women on MN.

The focus is on men. No men should be in spaces they shouldn’t. That includes trans women. As they are men. It’s getting boring now that this needs to be stated to you, over and over again.

Why are you banging on about attacks? My partner and the males in my life wouldn’t attack anyone in bathrooms (as sure as I can be on that), I don’t think they should be in women’s spaces either, as their presence may make some women feel uncomfortable.

No. I didn't say anyone here was to blame. If you actually bothered to read what I had posted, it is wrong for people to simply think this is acceptable. Which is what is being said. It is not acceptable.

You cant blame the new owner. The images were uploaded by users under the prior pro-TRA policy implemented by prior management.

Your argument boild down to because a user cant just say No males in female spaces the user must be exposed to images of sex acts uploaded by people (mainly men) who claim that males who upload images of sex acts on open public SM are "safe" males who should be given access to female spaces.

And the idea that women should leave public SM because men feel it necessary to engage in SM flashing is just a argumemt about how governments need to regulate sex offenders.

Quite amused by the accusations of watching trans porn.

Are you accusing me of being a man??

Babe you're really embarrassing yourself, please I beg you Google how the internet works for one second. It's not a coincidence that only people obsessed with tweeting about trans people's genitals (sorry for the explicit term 😂) are regularly getting these videos AND keep getting them (because they're watching through and engaging!)

The issue of people on MN saying it's acceptable for women to be abused by other women / be doxed / be randomly accused of being men IS a problem of women on MN.

Who said this though

The problem with how this thread is going is exactly the reason I shy away from giving real life examples of why toilet designs are bad for women and girls. I self-supress because I don’t want to titilate men who might want to talk about it or give them ideas (not that I think I would make much difference).

My internet history has Stud (American gay journal - now defunct) because they had a very influential piece on toilet door gaps which was discussed on a Harvard lecture by the man who then ran a business designing houses for gay men then the mainstream featuring ‘sightlines’ in his concepts, who then partnered with a transwoman to create a new business making public/office/school toilets inclusive for trans people who decided no gaps was the way forward in toilet cubicles because that’s what transactivists preferred and was seen in trendy nightclubs in New York which was then used as the evidence source in this country to enclose toilets for people with long term health conditions last year.

It’s been interesting joining it all up. But people with long term health conditions need a toilet cubicle with door gaps because they stand more of a chance surviving if they collapse as they will be seen and can be rescued.

What makes it worse is that it is so well known that bodies get in the way, that the new toilet design ‘safety feature’ is that doors have to have a mechanism to open them outwards from the outside, because bodies stop doors opening inwards and you can’t get them out.

If it’s your loved one has a stroke, hypo, heart attack, seizure, anaerysm that’s too late. That’s not safeguarding.

@Helpmelosemymind mumsnet wouldn’t let me post a picture the other day. Why? Because mumsnet had disabled pictures as apparently some horrendous child abuse images were flooding this site. Women are targeted by men. Women don’t need to go looking for these images.

I think you're replying to the wrong poster...who are my bullied friends and the sm celebs you talk of?

There’s someone embarrassing their self on this thread and it’s not @AnSolas