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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People with a cervix

342 replies

Globules · 28/02/2025 18:20

This has really annoyed me.

Official documentation from the NHS, aka the national medical professionals, should know that it's ONLY women who have a cervix.

What is this non sentence of all women and people with a cervix?

People with a cervix
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WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:49

AubernFable · 28/02/2025 19:31

Please research trans people in history, it isn’t a new thing and in some cultures was widely understood and accepted. I understand your position but it’s worth fully understanding even if your feelings stay the same.

I know that transvestites have always existed. TransGENDER is a recent phenomenon. Even if it wasn't, Schizophrenia has existed in history and cultures, that doesn't mean we pander to it. We wouldn't agree with a man who thinks he is the second coming of Jesus because.....Schizophrenia. I am not now, nor ever, going to pander to someone with a mental illness/dysphoria who because..... thinks they are gendered soul born in the wrong body. Not now, not ever!

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:50

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:49

I know that transvestites have always existed. TransGENDER is a recent phenomenon. Even if it wasn't, Schizophrenia has existed in history and cultures, that doesn't mean we pander to it. We wouldn't agree with a man who thinks he is the second coming of Jesus because.....Schizophrenia. I am not now, nor ever, going to pander to someone with a mental illness/dysphoria who because..... thinks they are gendered soul born in the wrong body. Not now, not ever!

Aww bless you

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:51

MugsyBalonz · 28/02/2025 19:31

It's a letter relating to cervical screening therefore it does need to refer directly to patients in terms of their cervixes.

It only needs to refer to men or women (or male or female).

It's really that simple.

decorativecushions · 28/02/2025 19:53

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

It's a couple of extra words to indulge mentally unwell people

No other mental illness on the planet causes this level of self indulgence and the total ignoring of the plain truth.

Catza · 28/02/2025 19:53

TitusMoan · 28/02/2025 19:41

Trans men ARE women. So they’re already included. And they already know that.

How do you know? Do you even know how these guidances, advertisement and polices are written? First, there is statistical data which, I presume, shows that people are routinely missing screening appointments for a variety of reasons. Then, there is a patient panel who has input on how the screening campaign is worded. With any luck, this panel includes a representative sample. There was more than likely an LGBTQ+ person/people in the room making these decisions about what terms would make this information more accessible, inclusive and improve access to screening programme. Enter you with no lived experience and no statistical data claiming that "they know" or rather you know better what "these people with a mental illness" know and need. Don't you think this is a little...hmm..dehumanising?

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:53

decorativecushions · 28/02/2025 19:53

It's a couple of extra words to indulge mentally unwell people

No other mental illness on the planet causes this level of self indulgence and the total ignoring of the plain truth.

Hahahahhaaaaa

Whatifitallgoesright · 28/02/2025 19:54

Goinggonegone · 28/02/2025 18:54

I think its because some transmen would refuse smear tests because they don't see themselves as female.
In response to another poster, saying "people born female" wouldn't work, as some of us no longer have cervixes.

If someone cannot comprehend or refuses to accept the facts of their own anatomy then they have a mental illness.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/02/2025 19:54

It's good to see push back about this. Only last year the NHS was eagerly eradicating women's language from all healthcare, including maternity care. It's only because women and many men finally spoke out about all this that the word woman is being used again.
This is an immensely powerful lobby who've upended the social contract (look at the nurses being compelled to undress in front of male colleagues), made the medical profession look foolish "tell me72 year old male, could you be pregnant?" and worst of all persuaded the NHS to conduct unethical experiments on vulnerable children who've been gaslit into thinking they're born in the wrong body but a sex change will cure them?

All of this shit needs calling out every. single. time. The consequences are too serious for society to ignore.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:55

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:50

Aww bless you

Have a mocking laugh reply back for all the hidden mocking laughs you've put on my posts. Bless your heart!

PerkyTitan · 28/02/2025 19:56

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:55

Have a mocking laugh reply back for all the hidden mocking laughs you've put on my posts. Bless your heart!

Thank you 😂

Shmee1988 · 28/02/2025 19:56

Catza · 28/02/2025 18:42

Are you transgender? If not, then it's not your place to say.

She means it is offensive to actual women!

mindutopia · 28/02/2025 19:57

Actually not all women have a cervix and some people with a cervix but otherwise ambiguous genitalia (intersex people) may not have been raised as girls/women or may have been raised as girls/women but because they have xy chromosomes or male characteristics may live as men as adults. It’s not really difficult to understand.

Flopsy145 · 28/02/2025 19:58

If you're born with a cervix then you are a woman, can dress up and mess with hormones all you like but still a woman. Science and medicine should focus on fact and not play into the bloody trans agenda.

ExitPursuedByAPolarBear · 28/02/2025 19:58

mindutopia · 28/02/2025 19:57

Actually not all women have a cervix and some people with a cervix but otherwise ambiguous genitalia (intersex people) may not have been raised as girls/women or may have been raised as girls/women but because they have xy chromosomes or male characteristics may live as men as adults. It’s not really difficult to understand.

But surely the word cervical screening would mean that it’s for those who have a cervix. It’s implied in the name.

Mightymoog · 28/02/2025 19:59

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 28/02/2025 18:21

It’s a way of including trans men.

It’s a couple of extra words to make people feel more comfortable.

It’s a good thing.

oh, you're one of those are you.

eatfigs · 28/02/2025 19:59

The NHS shouldn't be pretending that "trans men" are men, at least not in documentation that is sent to everyone.

Flopsy145 · 28/02/2025 20:00

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 19:51

It only needs to refer to men or women (or male or female).

It's really that simple.

Exactly

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/02/2025 20:01

MugsyBalonz · 28/02/2025 19:10

Transpeople are as entitled to cancer screening as non-transpeople. The aim of these posters and letters isn't to enforce an ideology or to pander to anything, the aim of them is to encourage as many eligible people as possible to access screening that could potentially save their life . Personally I'm happy for the NHS to use whatever wording they need to ensure that happens.

Yet the NHS doesn't say "men and people with a prostate", it just says "men".

Men are not required to pretend to be a subset of their one sex class. This isn't about inclusiveness, it's about subjugating women.

BobbyBiscuits · 28/02/2025 20:01

Would it seem more or less offensive if they said 'women and trans men'?
Because they should be included in it. Obviously they are a tiny percentage, but there's a chance a transman might be so caught up in believing they are male, that they wouldn't acknowledge a leaflet or instruction that only referred to 'women'.
The part that's aimed at me is completely reasonable. The other part is aimed at transmen so it's up to them to decide if that terminology is suitable or patronising or whatever.

I'm wondering how they would word a penile or prostate cancer awareness thing to include transwomen? Maybe they do say something similar/equivalent?

Catza · 28/02/2025 20:01

Shmee1988 · 28/02/2025 19:56

She means it is offensive to actual women!

I don't see how. The post says "women and people with a cervix". If something says "this tasty snack is safe for women and hamsters", I am unlikely to be offended by the sheer fact that hamsters were mentioned.
And since we advocate that transgender men are "actual women" then it would make more sense to hear directly from them if they find it offensive. That's all I am saying.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 20:01

mindutopia · 28/02/2025 19:57

Actually not all women have a cervix and some people with a cervix but otherwise ambiguous genitalia (intersex people) may not have been raised as girls/women or may have been raised as girls/women but because they have xy chromosomes or male characteristics may live as men as adults. It’s not really difficult to understand.

Then they'd still know via testing of the chromosomes (intersex people are aware at least from puberty so are fully versed on their condition), this is more excuses. Isn't it strange we didn't need this until the last 5-10 years, and we survived well as a civilised society for centuries and decades and decades, with just men and women or male and female?

OakleyAnnie · 28/02/2025 20:02

Catza · 28/02/2025 18:42

Are you transgender? If not, then it's not your place to say.

Oh do fuck off. It’s dehumanising to women. Of course it’s her place to say.

WillIEverBeOk · 28/02/2025 20:04

BobbyBiscuits · 28/02/2025 20:01

Would it seem more or less offensive if they said 'women and trans men'?
Because they should be included in it. Obviously they are a tiny percentage, but there's a chance a transman might be so caught up in believing they are male, that they wouldn't acknowledge a leaflet or instruction that only referred to 'women'.
The part that's aimed at me is completely reasonable. The other part is aimed at transmen so it's up to them to decide if that terminology is suitable or patronising or whatever.

I'm wondering how they would word a penile or prostate cancer awareness thing to include transwomen? Maybe they do say something similar/equivalent?

Edited

Obviously they are a tiny percentage, but there's a chance a transman might be so caught up in believing they are male, that they wouldn't acknowledge a leaflet or instruction that only referred to 'women'.

And that would be their fault, too bad. Sorry-not-sorry.

Catza · 28/02/2025 20:04

OakleyAnnie · 28/02/2025 20:02

Oh do fuck off. It’s dehumanising to women. Of course it’s her place to say.

I am still waiting for anyone to explain how the sentence "women and people with a cervix" is in any shape or form dehumanising. Last time I checked people were humans.

Tvp123 · 28/02/2025 20:04

Who the fuck cares? Does it make your space unsafe? No! So worry about something that is important.